Analysis of the situation

[PGnews]

Since there seems to be a lot of doubt growing up, I decided to throw my two cents in.


People are let down because there is no official statement yet.

Let me sum a few things up:
The 2002 tour was obviously NOT intended to be a supporting tour for the album, even though we were all expecting that. Guns were testing the waters. The EU / Asia part of the tour was a major success, while the NA part  of the tour failed big time. They did not play major cities, venues, apart from NY, Boston etc. Most of the tour, the arenas were not even half full.

Some say that was because of the unreleased album (Axl announced during the tour that the album was not finished). I don't think so. Europe, Brazil, Asia, was a huge success, even without an album. America was not. That cleary shows us where Guns' biggest fanbase is located.

In 2004, Guns were planning on doing RIR, as well as a European tour, which most likely would have been the exact same thing as the upcoming one. But the plug got pulled when Bucket left. We know that the 2004 tour was intended to be in support of the album. But it did not happen, most likely due to the fact that they did not know at that time what to do with Buckets parts, wether to keep them on the album or not. I'm sure there were legal issues surrounding that question.

Decisions have been made, and the 2006 tour obviously is planned in support of the album, which is reportedly not finished yet.

The question is if it will be out prior to the EU-Tour. It would not be needed, the shows are already selling like hell. And you can expect more dates to be announced soon.

The problem is: If the album is not out before the tour, it is very likely that the setlist won't be different from 2002, just to prevent more leaks. I don't know if that would be a problem for EU-fans (casual fans, not us die-hards), but it could very well be.

And what after that? Sooner or later, Guns will have to play the US, and as far as we know now, this summer dates will be the only ones in Europe in 2006. They could play Asia in Fall (would definately be successful even without an album), yes.

But the album has to be released at the latest before they tour the US again.

Another point: When IRS first leaked to the Trunk show, management freaked out to stop the airplay. Not this time. Yesm, there were cease & desist orders, but still the leaks got airplay. If they would have REALLY intended to stop this, they would have managed to. Get my point?

It looks good this time, and be sure that Axl & Merck are aware of the danger that a full blown tour without a supporting product would carry.

Don't be let down. The things which happened since January were 'better' than anything since the UYI tour. Just lay back, relax, enjoy.

There are a lotta things to come this year.....


/PG

[Sean]

 it's coming

[helmet0111]

awesome post, that just made my day

[Dust N' Bones]

PGnews Wrote:

But the album has to be released at the latest before they tour the US again.

Why's that?

[axTHAL]

umm sadly gnr doesnt have an amazing fan base in the u.s and we are being forced by the media to like shit music so when CD drops itll wake everyone up

[helmet0111]

PGnews Wrote:

But the album has to be released at the latest before they tour the US again.

Why's that?

because like PGnews said in his post ...
"They did not play major cities, venues, apart from NY, Boston etc. Most of the tour, the arenas were not even half full.

[Dust N' Bones]

umm sadly gnr doesnt have an amazing fan base in the u.s and we are being forced by the media to like shit music so when CD drops itll wake everyone up

Hmm... I see...
Well anyway, the only musicfestival in Norway, with enough money to book Gn'r, refused to sign 'em!

They said: "They (Gn'R) are to unstable, we cant take the chance weither they're gonna show up or not."

Motherfuckers!!! Life's a gamble!!

[juliusfek1]

Since there seems to be a lot of doubt growing up, I decided to throw my two cents in.


People are let down because there is no official statement yet.

Let me sum a few things up:
The 2002 tour was obviously NOT intended to be a supporting tour for the album, even though we were all expecting that. Guns were testing the waters. The EU / Asia part of the tour was a major success, while the NA part  of the tour failed big time. They did not play major cities, venues, apart from NY, Boston etc. Most of the tour, the arenas were not even half full.

Some say that was because of the unreleased album (Axl announced during the tour that the album was not finished). I don't think so. Europe, Brazil, Asia, was a huge success, even without an album. America was not. That cleary shows us where Guns' biggest fanbase is located.

In 2004, Guns were planning on doing RIR, as well as a European tour, which most likely would have been the exact same thing as the upcoming one. But the plug got pulled when Bucket left. We know that the 2004 tour was intended to be in support of the album. But it did not happen, most likely due to the fact that they did not know at that time what to do with Buckets parts, wether to keep them on the album or not. I'm sure there were legal issues surrounding that question.

Decisions have been made, and the 2006 tour obviously is planned in support of the album, which is reportedly not finished yet.

The question is if it will be out prior to the EU-Tour. It would not be needed, the shows are already selling like hell. And you can expect more dates to be announced soon.

The problem is: If the album is not out before the tour, it is very likely that the setlist won't be different from 2002, just to prevent more leaks. I don't know if that would be a problem for EU-fans (casual fans, not us die-hards), but it could very well be.

And what after that? Sooner or later, Guns will have to play the US, and as far as we know now, this summer dates will be the only ones in Europe in 2006. They could play Asia in Fall (would definately be successful even without an album), yes.

But the album has to be released at the latest before they tour the US again.

Another point: When IRS first leaked to the Trunk show, management freaked out to stop the airplay. Not this time. Yesm, there were cease & desist orders, but still the leaks got airplay. If they would have REALLY intended to stop this, they would have managed to. Get my point?

It looks good this time, and be sure that Axl & Merck are aware of the danger that a full blown tour without a supporting product would carry.

Don't be let down. The things which happened since January were 'better' than anything since the UYI tour. Just lay back, relax, enjoy.

There are a lotta things to come this year.....


/PG

Bullshit.

[girlincarwithgnr]

Another point: When IRS first leaked to the Trunk show, management freaked out to stop the airplay. Not this time. Yesm, there were cease & desist orders, but still the leaks got airplay. If they would have REALLY intended to stop this, they would have managed to. Get my point?

/PG

I fuckin new it!!!! I tried to tell ya but noooooooo

http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/viewtopic.php?t=11230&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=18

[chineseroses]

Since there seems to be a lot of doubt growing up, I decided to throw my two cents in.


People are let down because there is no official statement yet.

Let me sum a few things up:
The 2002 tour was obviously NOT intended to be a supporting tour for the album, even though we were all expecting that. Guns were testing the waters. The EU / Asia part of the tour was a major success, while the NA part  of the tour failed big time. They did not play major cities, venues, apart from NY, Boston etc. Most of the tour, the arenas were not even half full.

Some say that was because of the unreleased album (Axl announced during the tour that the album was not finished). I don't think so. Europe, Brazil, Asia, was a huge success, even without an album. America was not. That cleary shows us where Guns' biggest fanbase is located.

In 2004, Guns were planning on doing RIR, as well as a European tour, which most likely would have been the exact same thing as the upcoming one. But the plug got pulled when Bucket left. We know that the 2004 tour was intended to be in support of the album. But it did not happen, most likely due to the fact that they did not know at that time what to do with Buckets parts, wether to keep them on the album or not. I'm sure there were legal issues surrounding that question.

Decisions have been made, and the 2006 tour obviously is planned in support of the album, which is reportedly not finished yet.

The question is if it will be out prior to the EU-Tour. It would not be needed, the shows are already selling like hell. And you can expect more dates to be announced soon.

The problem is: If the album is not out before the tour, it is very likely that the setlist won't be different from 2002, just to prevent more leaks. I don't know if that would be a problem for EU-fans (casual fans, not us die-hards), but it could very well be.

And what after that? Sooner or later, Guns will have to play the US, and as far as we know now, this summer dates will be the only ones in Europe in 2006. They could play Asia in Fall (would definately be successful even without an album), yes.

But the album has to be released at the latest before they tour the US again.

Another point: When IRS first leaked to the Trunk show, management freaked out to stop the airplay. Not this time. Yesm, there were cease & desist orders, but still the leaks got airplay. If they would have REALLY intended to stop this, they would have managed to. Get my point?

It looks good this time, and be sure that Axl & Merck are aware of the danger that a full blown tour without a supporting product would carry.

Don't be let down. The things which happened since January were 'better' than anything since the UYI tour. Just lay back, relax, enjoy.

There are a lotta things to come this year.....


/PG

Bullshit.

how? explain.

[Sean]

Just for those of you who don't know...  PG is the guy we are doing a transition with. PGnews is historically informative with his news & notions & information that you will only hear from first.

GUNSNROSES.US NEWS & ’THE SILENCE IS ILLUSION NEWSLETTER’ MERGER

http://www.gunsnroses.us/news/article.php3?id_article=39

This is actually going to be a big deal for us & cd.com  

-BP

[mandrill71]

everyone keeps saying album,axl says there are 3 albums,i believe the first 2 are done and will be released in june and september,the 3rd one maybe not done but i still believe through all these axl appearances that pace is gathering and the cds will be released this year,axl cannot risk letting the fans down again ,it would destroy everything and he would be a laughing stock,everything he has done has been carefully thought over and this year is the year guns n roses will rise and become a dominant force again,watch and have a bit of patience ,this shit is gonna happen this year !!!!!!!!!!!1

[LostInTheGarden]

what?

[Lucky]

Your post is optimistic, but you ignored and touched up a few things.


1st, back in 2002, the band said that the whole summer/fall tour was a warm-up.
They also said that after the USA leg of the tour they’d return to the studios, and we could read between the lines that they'd release the album in 2003, and do a real tour starting spring/summer 2003 supporting the album release.

After the 2002 tour got canceled, their plans fell apart, and the whole schedule got screwed up.
Now we know that EVEN IF the tour went as planned, they wouldn't have released the album in 2003, because the demos shown us that the "big guns" were not yet finished(Better).


In 2004, they NEVER said that they plan to tour; they only said that they plan to play RIR, and that was it. No other tour arrangements were made.
After bucket left, everything fell apart (again).

IMO there IS NO/WAS NO legal issues with buckethead, because he (pardon me) was only a HIRED GUN, and Axl paid him for his contribution, and IMO Axl was probably smart enough to include this in BH's contract.


IMO if they plan to release the album/single this summer, we'd have to get AT LEAST a quality rumor that that's what they plan to do.
also, the albums are announced AT LEAST 3-4 months in advanced, and since this will be a world wide distribution, distribution centers in EU, Asia would have to get an advanced copy at least a month in advanced(and that goes for the single as well). There's not one big factory that makes CD's and sends them all over the world.

I'm not yet fully convinced that this tour would bring us any new songs. From what I see, it's following the pattern of the 2002 tour, but then again, so far it has much more dates scheduled than 2002 one, so I might be wrong.

The big question is, IS THERE, and if so WHO IS the new guitar player.
This might be another warm-up tour just to see how this guy (if he egsists) functions on a tour.

One more thing that bothers me is the whole 26 songs ALMOST of 32 songs finished. It takes a while to finish 32 songs (especially for Axl), and since he's been everywhere but in the studio for the past 2 months, I doubt that any serious progress on those 32 songs has been made.

So far I still can't make up my mind considering the leaks.
Here's why I don't fully believe in the "Axl leaked them" theory.
1st, why would they leak 4 songs
2nd, why would they leak the instrumentals
3rd, why would they leak far from being finished songs


All that I wrote above are serious issues, and nobody here knows the answer. I'm quite optimistic considering the length of time it would take us to figure things out.
In case we don't get any proof till may (but I would be convinced even in April) that the either album or the single will be released, I doubt we will see the album this summer.

In case that happens, the next possible release date would be Xmass 2006 .


only argumented replies, please.

[blanc15]

well said, lucky! quite what I was thinking too after that post, but i was lazy. In fact we can't tell anything as for now. After this great start of the year, we can justificatedly be really optimistic and the first post above was a nice read, but we know very little.
I loved the "quality-rumour" part

[Idioteque]

Isn't Richard Fortus the new guitarist?

[Stevie Boy]

Just for those of you who don't know...  PG is the guy we are doing a transition with. PGnews is historically informative with his news & notions & information that you will only hear from first.

GUNSNROSES.US NEWS & ’THE SILENCE IS ILLUSION NEWSLETTER’ MERGER

http://www.gunsnroses.us/news/article.php3?id_article=39

This is actually going to be a big deal for us & cd.com  

-BP

You guys really need to hire a grammarian to edit your writing.

"When GUNSNROSES.US opens its doors on Monday morning, it will signal the completion one of the biggest Guns N Roses mergers in online history since the GUNSNROSES.US and cocksalad.com community merger to reform ChineseDemocracy.com in July of 2003."

 

[Lucky]

Fortus replaced Paul Huge back in 2002.
in 2004 buckethead left, and there were rumors that the band is looking for the new guitar player, but we never found out if they found one, and if so who it might be.

[blanc15]

Isn't Richard Fortus the new guitarist?

he is the replacement for paul huge since 2002.

[Sean]

Just for those of you who don't know...  PG is the guy we are doing a transition with. PGnews is historically informative with his news & notions & information that you will only hear from first.

GUNSNROSES.US NEWS & ’THE SILENCE IS ILLUSION NEWSLETTER’ MERGER

http://www.gunsnroses.us/news/article.php3?id_article=39

This is actually going to be a big deal for us & cd.com  

-BP

You guys really need to hire a grammarian to edit your writing.

"When GUNSNROSES.US opens its doors on Monday morning, it will signal the completion one of the biggest Guns N Roses mergers in online history since the GUNSNROSES.US and cocksalad.com community merger to reform ChineseDemocracy.com in July of 2003."

 

all inquiries on that go to Rachel M  

[Demon]

It seems really odd for songs to be leaked without a release date set for an album. Normally songs don't leak until a month or less before the album releases. Look at what happened with Eminem's album and Usher's albums. They usually leak right before they're released.

This almost seems more like a 'getting attention' strategy to me. If so, it's got my attention. Otherwise, leaks before release dates and before finished/polished products are uncommon, at least from what I've seen in the past.

[KingMonkey]

It seems really odd for songs to be leaked without a release date set for an album. Normally songs don't leak until a month or less before the album releases. Look at what happened with Eminem's album and Usher's albums. They usually leak right before they're released.

 Let me start by saying I've no problem in sayin I'm a newbe, but on other bands boards, i say what is legit and to the point.

 Lets face it. The amount of people that have had access to this album relative to that of either of those you mention is huge. We have no idea when these leaks are from, so it could be any number of people from any number of cuts. If the album was released in a month with none of the leaked tracks on it, the only surprise would be that it was realeased within a month.

 But...the hype now is not significant, but unusual. especially since *classic rock magazine* in the UK claims "The return of Guns N' Roses" on the back of its current issue (maybe new news). Whether that means thier return to touring, return to the UK, or, lets hope, thier true return, album and all, remains an issue for another topic.

[Bobgt]

Your post is optimistic, but you ignored and touched up a few things.


1st, back in 2002, the band said that the whole summer/fall tour was a warm-up.
They also said that after the USA leg of the tour they’d return to the studios, and we could read between the lines that they'd release the album in 2003, and do a real tour starting spring/summer 2003 supporting the album release.

After the 2002 tour got canceled, their plans fell apart, and the whole schedule got screwed up.
Now we know that EVEN IF the tour went as planned, they wouldn't have released the album in 2003, because the demos shown us that the "big guns" were not yet finished(Better).


In 2004, they NEVER said that they plan to tour; they only said that they plan to play RIR, and that was it. No other tour arrangements were made.
After bucket left, everything fell apart (again).

IMO there IS NO/WAS NO legal issues with buckethead, because he (pardon me) was only a HIRED GUN, and Axl paid him for his contribution, and IMO Axl was probably smart enough to include this in BH's contract.


IMO if they plan to release the album/single this summer, we'd have to get AT LEAST a quality rumor that that's what they plan to do.
also, the albums are announced AT LEAST 3-4 months in advanced, and since this will be a world wide distribution, distribution centers in EU, Asia would have to get an advanced copy at least a month in advanced(and that goes for the single as well). There's not one big factory that makes CD's and sends them all over the world.

I'm not yet fully convinced that this tour would bring us any new songs. From what I see, it's following the pattern of the 2002 tour, but then again, so far it has much more dates scheduled than 2002 one, so I might be wrong.

The big question is, IS THERE, and if so WHO IS the new guitar player.
This might be another warm-up tour just to see how this guy (if he egsists) functions on a tour.

One more thing that bothers me is the whole 26 songs ALMOST of 32 songs finished. It takes a while to finish 32 songs (especially for Axl), and since he's been everywhere but in the studio for the past 2 months, I doubt that any serious progress on those 32 songs has been made.

So far I still can't make up my mind considering the leaks.
Here's why I don't fully believe in the "Axl leaked them" theory.
1st, why would they leak 4 songs
2nd, why would they leak the instrumentals
3rd, why would they leak far from being finished songs


All that I wrote above are serious issues, and nobody here knows the answer. I'm quite optimistic considering the length of time it would take us to figure things out.
In case we don't get any proof till may (but I would be convinced even in April) that the either album or the single will be released, I doubt we will see the album this summer.

In case that happens, the next possible release date would be Xmass 2006 .

only argumented replies, please.

ur one of those guys who takes the magic out of life u know that lucky?

[KingMonkey]

He's one of those guys who faces it with a little bit of truth. You want magic then theres plenty of david blane DVD's out there.

[Robbie]

Up Rhiad Soundboard!!!!!!!!!!!

[RKD]

He's one of those guys who faces it with a little bit of truth. You want magic then theres plenty of david blane DVD's out there.

NO there ain't hes standing on one foot and lifting the other, but from an angle it looks like magic....... what?  

[PGnews]

Your post is optimistic, but you ignored and touched up a few things.


1st, back in 2002, the band said that the whole summer/fall tour was a warm-up.
They also said that after the USA leg of the tour they’d return to the studios, and we could read between the lines that they'd release the album in 2003, and do a real tour starting spring/summer 2003 supporting the album release.

After the 2002 tour got canceled, their plans fell apart, and the whole schedule got screwed up.
Now we know that EVEN IF the tour went as planned, they wouldn't have released the album in 2003, because the demos shown us that the "big guns" were not yet finished(Better).


In 2004, they NEVER said that they plan to tour; they only said that they plan to play RIR, and that was it. No other tour arrangements were made.
After bucket left, everything fell apart (again).

IMO there IS NO/WAS NO legal issues with buckethead, because he (pardon me) was only a HIRED GUN, and Axl paid him for his contribution, and IMO Axl was probably smart enough to include this in BH's contract.


IMO if they plan to release the album/single this summer, we'd have to get AT LEAST a quality rumor that that's what they plan to do.
also, the albums are announced AT LEAST 3-4 months in advanced, and since this will be a world wide distribution, distribution centers in EU, Asia would have to get an advanced copy at least a month in advanced(and that goes for the single as well). There's not one big factory that makes CD's and sends them all over the world.

I'm not yet fully convinced that this tour would bring us any new songs. From what I see, it's following the pattern of the 2002 tour, but then again, so far it has much more dates scheduled than 2002 one, so I might be wrong.

The big question is, IS THERE, and if so WHO IS the new guitar player.
This might be another warm-up tour just to see how this guy (if he egsists) functions on a tour.

One more thing that bothers me is the whole 26 songs ALMOST of 32 songs finished. It takes a while to finish 32 songs (especially for Axl), and since he's been everywhere but in the studio for the past 2 months, I doubt that any serious progress on those 32 songs has been made.

So far I still can't make up my mind considering the leaks.
Here's why I don't fully believe in the "Axl leaked them" theory.
1st, why would they leak 4 songs
2nd, why would they leak the instrumentals
3rd, why would they leak far from being finished songs


All that I wrote above are serious issues, and nobody here knows the answer. I'm quite optimistic considering the length of time it would take us to figure things out.
In case we don't get any proof till may (but I would be convinced even in April) that the either album or the single will be released, I doubt we will see the album this summer.

In case that happens, the next possible release date would be Xmass 2006 .


only argumented replies, please.

Sure you have good points here, but let me clear things up:

For the leaks: I did NOT say, the leak was intentionally. From all I know it clearly was not. All I said is that they did not do their best to stop them from airplay, maybe to see reactions, maybe to create some buzz before the tour.

For the 2004 tour: There were in fact a lot more dates in the making. It was not officially announced, but it is fact, take it as that.

For Buckethead: Yes you're most likely right with the coontract thing, but still that was trouble, since it would be a problem for a major band like Guns to put out an album on which there are songs that carry major contributions from a musician who isn't in the band anymore.

New guitarist: Possible, but it is very likely that there is no new guitarst.


/PG

[PGnews]

And let me add another thing:

I don't say "The album is coming out this year", I only say that a lot of things are about to happen and that obviously the album is PLANNED to be released this year.

We are GN'R fans. We know that plans always change and things are unstable. Of course it might happen that everything falls down again. But from what's going on recently I think we can be very optimistic this time.

That's all.


/PG

[girlincarwithgnr]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?????????

PG Thx!

muah!