Wouldn't 6 members be enough?

[Tombat]

Ok, I am not a big RHCP fan but when to see them the other week. During the entire show I kept wondering how can 4 (FOUR) musicians put on a show at least as good (if not better) than most new GN'R shows?
The same goes for other massive bands these days like Coldplay and U2.....
Or wait, maybe those are NOT rock bands......maybe they are what you call mainstream pop-rock bands......And GN'R is the still a badass ROCK band? Give me a break. With, so many piano songs (The Blues, Nov Rain, Madagascar) and a gayass-rock song like IRS, GN'R is any more rock&roll? Not to mention how Axl's dancing style has gone so much more pop.

Why bother joining this forum if you seem to dislike every aspect of the new band. I think the whole band makes the new Guns to what it is, a brilliant band.

Why canÂt a rockband make songs with piano's, keyboards and effects in it without being categorized as Pop. It doesn't matters what you'd call their style though, it's about the music, not a representation of a certain genre (it's obviously rock though).

[chineseroses]

Axl dancing style got more pop?

da fuck?

no its just more controlled, hes 40 something not 20 anymore.

4 (FOUR)

^^^^ incase we didnt get it first time?  

ok GNR arnt as badass as they were 15 years ago. but no-one is.

the rock n roll act has died.

the whole "put on a great show" issue isnt being debated here, but all the members add something to the songs.

[PurpleHaze]

BBF isn't redundant. Fortus and Finck simply couldn't pull off Bucket's stuff live. Fortus could have a bash at it but he couldn't do justice to it. Thal can.

[sunnyp]

Tell finck to fuck off and get izzy back.

[furia1337]

If you listen to WTTJ live from R.A.M now and compare it to WTTJ from example 1992 on UYI tour , it is much more better now , the song is kicking ass with 3 guitarist.
It sound much better , one playing intro part , one the little solo that izzy is doing , and one are playing ackord.
ItÂs in my opinion perfect.

/ Jacob

[blanc15]

If you listen to WTTJ live from R.A.M now and compare it to WTTJ from example 1992 on UYI tour , it is much more better now , the song is kicking ass with 3 guitarist.
It sound much better , one playing intro part , one the little solo that izzy is doing , and one are playing ackord.
ItÂs in my opinion perfect.

/ Jacob

that's it

[sweetbreakdown]

no, it's not enough n' it's perfect the way it is. By the way, someone said Chris doesn't do a thing but he does things that you might even don't notice but this things makes huge differences when you look at the big picture.

[UnwantedIllusion07]

i dont understand why they consider finck, to be lead guitar player. above bumblefoot? what the hell is up with that? fire finck and bring back izzy on rhythm guitar, and put fortus and thal on lead guitars.

[MetaSouL]

I am sorry to be so dense but I've been thinking about this for awhile and it always bothered me why the hell does GN'R need 8 musicians? Now that Finck and Fortus take on alot more responsibility, isn't Bumblefoot sorta redundant? And do they reall need 2 keyboard players out there considering this is supposedly a rock band?
From a media point of view, it gives the band's critics more ground to make fun of the band, calling them a "circus" and what not. From a business perspective, it is probably pretty bad revenue-wise when you have to pay so many people fat paychecks.

I think you have a valid point, but it's my feeling that its more of the studio input where Axl wanted to bring together this melting pot of musicians.  The live act is just a reflection of that.  I mean even Pittman has some great creativity going on in CITR, definitely a different feel than Dizzy.  BBF is the last attempt at keeping his vision of dual lead guitarists alive, another reflection of the studio effort.  You are right that it certainly gives more ground for critics, but GNR has always given a big finger to the critics anyway.  But now that they aren't as big as the old days, they may be needing those critics.  Yet if they did it for that reason, they'd be selling out...

In sum, I agree with you, but since you are going to Vegas and I'm not, I'm going to have to side with the devil on this one.

~M

[Slashist]

If you listen to WTTJ live from R.A.M now and compare it to WTTJ from example 1992 on UYI tour , it is much more better now , the song is kicking ass with 3 guitarist.
It sound much better , one playing intro part , one the little solo that izzy is doing , and one are playing ackord.
ItÂs in my opinion perfect.

it may be better than 92 but there is no way its better than 87-89

i gotta say, all the appetite stuff sounds great with the new band

[vess]

Ok, I've been convinced - 8 musicians are really needed these days for our sophisticated listening pleasure .
But I still don't like the business side of it. I wonder how Merck is taking it. It is obviously a stubborn Axl's decision that he has to live with.
The problem with the whole "monsterosity" thing is that, even though the fans and many other musicians may appreciate it, I am not so sure about the mainstream, and therefore I don't see it helping that much the band in terms of record sales or concert ticket sales.
Anyway, that's a useless thread. I appologize. Mods, please delete..

[RyanRose]

o god he insulted Pit(t)man, down you go.

Pit(t)mans effects, hes not really a keyboardist.

its also bad to not release and album for 13 years.

its Axls vision, he doesnt care about critics or money, he wants a groundbreaking album.

if he really cared about the revenue do you think he would of spent like $13 million on this album?

What of other peoples money

[Nesquick]

GN'R doesn't need THREE guitar players. Richard and Robin are enough, just give Fortus more Lead parts to play, he is a fantastic guitar player.
However, I have no problem with Pittman, 2 keyboards don't bother me.

I saw the new band Live in Paris and there were too many people onstage and you could feel they didn't need 3 guitar players at all. Bumblefoot was a little bit isolated. No bad feelings against him, I like the guy, he is a great player but the band doesn't need a 3rd guitar player. At some point, it was a mess.

[E.T.A]

Who are you to decide if GnR need two or three or more guitar players???
I also saw the new GnR live and I don't think there were too many people onstage! This is bullshit!
I like all of them and I need them!

[Gunner89]

Ron kicks ass, i would hate to see him go.