usa owes 250 trillion dollars to the world-----see here

[halford]

Of course i meant TRILLION, sorry.
Each US-American owes to the World one Million Dollars

The gigantesk towers of debts in the USA will make us tumble

 

 



In my first editors letters (criminal acts in politics) I pretended that each American owes to the World one Million Dollars. How come? How can one of the best experts in economy pretend such a stupidity? Come on my friends - and count and try to know why bank systems, whole states, stock exchanges, old age funds will soon tumble in the emptiness of space….

Figures are in American trillions - (equal to the German word "Billionen")
STEP ONE - around 20 Trillion Dollars

- Indebtedness of the State USA:

After the area of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush with their idiotic idea of releasing some of the richest people from taxes - to the disadvantage of middle-class, this nation has a dept-tower of approx. 20 Trillion (or 20 Billionen in German language). The official figures may be lower - but they are tricky false. The real indebtedness must, like in an annual statement of a company, consider provisions for all costs to come in infrastructure, social care, lost securities etc. - and then, the amount of indebtedness may explode well to 100 trillion Dollars. Further: Covered is this national dept by some gold reserves and some other State fortune, however never these assets will be covering in fact all the outstanding and eventual debts.

 
STEP TWO - around 20 Trillion Dollars

- Indebtedness of the 50 States, like Florida, California, Texas etc.:

I have to take a guess. Like for other points it is impossible for a simple man to find out all figures. But the guess must be right, that the cumulative figure of debts of the 50 States reach the figure of the above national indebtedness. Experts in the USA may re-control the matter and find out that my assumption is too low…

 
STEP THREE - around 20 Trillion Dollars

- Indebtedness of all Towns, Counties and other State organisations of the USA:

Here I see myself confronted with more complexity: Let's assume that the hundreds of Towns, Counties and other State affairs sum up in a debt that will reach the one of the USA as a Nation (point ONE above).

 
STEP FOUR - around 10 Trillion Dollars

- Indebtedness in Health care and Old age funds:

Daily you can read of huge under-covers in pension funds of states and firms in the Health and Old-age business. You can read of immense debts with insurances, hospitals, homes, pharmaceutics and all other societies or persons involved in that business. I assume that we would reach here a level of 50 % of total State debts.

 
STEP FIVE - around 50 Trillion Dollars

- Indebtedness in Companies under Chapter 11 and other debts of quasi-broken firms:

For car producers and airline companies alone, we hear of billions of Dollars being kept behind under Chapter 11. Adding all the middle and little companies throughout the country and debts under bankruptcy laws, we may well find 50 trillion of debts which are not covered by assets of those entities.

 
STEP SIX - about 5 Trillion Dollars

- Debts in credit-card accounts of individuals:

Starting at the age of 16, young American are quasi forced by capitalistic beliefs into indebtedness by criminal banks and credit card-institutions. Assume that each American - willing to consume - has an average-debt of Dollar 30000 - we summarize with 150 million consumers an amount of nearly 5000 billion or 5 trillion.

 
STEP SEVEN - about 8 Trillion Dollars

- Debts under Leasing-Business:

US-Americans purchase almost everything by Leasing. Assume that 150 million consumers have invested in its average about Dollar 50000 in leased goods we add roughly 7500 billion or rounded 8 trillion.

 
STEP EIGHT - rounded 90 Trillion Dollars

- Debts in House-market, only covered by a so called "valuation-bubble":

Here comes the big thing: I assume the value of all houses and buildings (without ground or other real estate not built) for the whole USA on 300 trillion. Assuming that later in time, a bubble of 30 % of total value of houses will show up, we have here an uncovered debt of 90 trillion.

 
STEP NINE - around 30 Trillion Dollars

- Any other indebtedness:

Bank credit accounts, outstands with stock exchange, monthly costs, all open invoices, social charges not paid yet, all kind of debts, not mentioned above already.

 

 INDEBTEDNESS OF THE USA - totalling about 250 Trillion of Dollars

Conclusions and relativating remarks on the above figures:

In the USA live around 250 Americans and they have according to this rudimentary account total debts, not covered by assets, of roughly 250 trillion Dollars.

Now we count and can see ONE MILLION DOLLARS DEBTS for each head in the USA. Can these debts not be covered in any way, we are facing a collapse never seen before in history in this world. It will make tumble to hell all banks, insurance and re-insurance companies, all Stock exchanges, not only the ones in the USA but throughout the World.

Other States may have higher figures of debts per head of its population. But nowhere on Earth, the impact would be so deadly as if the USA would fall in bankruptcy - from now on until about the year 2015.

Such simple is my theory but also such simple is our reality. You only need to think, need to add and count and you will end up somewhere by the figures mentioned. And then, all wisdom with regards to René Delavy texts will - all at once - be quieted by itself….

 

René Delavy

Author of "Chaos" and "Power x Stupidity = Self destruction"

See under rene-delavy.com

[Slashist]

we aren't facing collapse, thats just stupid.  the american economy is still one of the strongest in the world.

alot of that debt was actually acruded helping the rest of the world (remember when people around the world used to like the U.S.)  I'm going to assume you know what the Marshall Plan was (it was money donated by the U.S. to rebuild europe after WWII, to avoid widespread hunger and post-war suffering and halt the spread of communism).  anyways, in 4 years they gave $13 billion.  equivalent to $130 billion in 2006 dollars.

you have overstated many of your cases, anyways, if you look at the debts of other countries you get some idea of the kind of debt developed countries have:

U.S.A.- $8.837 trillion
United Kingdom- $7.107 trillion USD
Germany- $3.626 trillion USD
Canada- $439.8 billion USD (we have lots of oil so we're paying ours down)

also, this seems like a thread for the green room, here i am being serious in the jungle

[Rocket Queen]

I didn't read the whole shit, will later though.

If the US. paid all their dept, they would be fucking broke.

But we smart countries don't ask them, or demand them to give it back. Cause we all know that America wouldn't co-operate(?), and bomb the fuck outta us.

[halford]

i meant trillion of course........

[gnrfreek]

thats their fucking problem

[iconic_lust]

I didn't read the whole shit, will later though.

If the US. paid all their dept, they would be fucking broke.

But we smart countries don't ask them, or demand them to give it back. Cause we all know that America wouldn't co-operate(?), and bomb the fuck outta us.

LoL!  Nice.  

[mikesc]

Not the raw numbers matter but the percentage of the debt proportional to the gross domestic product. (US 68%, Germany 66%, UK 43%, ...) Japan was at 200% I think and the economy survived it...
None of those nations will have a problem with their debt, their economies are too stable and powerful.

[Rocket Queen]

So..

Why don't they pay us back then?

I think that their economy would suffer a bit. The money value would get lower.

And talking about the US. If they keep starting wars like this. And if they payed their dept. They would really, really suffer

[sunnyp]

I didn't read the whole shit, will later though.

If the US. paid all their dept, they would be fucking broke.

But we smart countries don't ask them, or demand them to give it back. Cause we all know that America wouldn't co-operate(?), and bomb the fuck outta us.

That tactic is going really well in Iraq eh.

Big bombs are actually perfectly suited to the Americans: Neither of them accomplish shit all and both make lots of unnecessary noise.

[Rocket Queen]

That tactic is going really well in Iraq eh.

Big bombs are actually perfectly suited to the Americans: Neither of them accomplish shit all and both make lots of unnecessary noise.

Bush's a fuckwit. His tacticks are a complete faillure.

The Iraq war is a shame. Money sucking disaster.

[guns 'n roses]

i'm not going to read that all the way

[halford]

why can u get the change of i believe now 800 billion or such $ to make iraq a mess, and getting a good healthcare system is too much to ask?

im no american, but the stupidity makes me shiver, clean before your own steps before starting wars and chaos elsewhere...i dont get it, must be cuz im no powerhungry billionaire........i aint got no oil, no wmds.......

the usa in a lot of parts is near 3rd world status, really, clean in your own backyard, start to care about your ppl, its a shame......build dams that actually hold back a fuckin tide, give apiring home owners a chance to afford a house built of  bricks instead of fucking wooden panels, so they dont fly away after the first hurricane..........geeez i could go on forever....      :crybaby:    :p

[marktheshark]

If the US called for all the countries that owed it money to pay it back, there wouldn't be a debt.  Only one country has ever  paid back all its debt to the United States.  That country was Finland...

Think about that for a while!

[Slashist]

the usa in a lot of parts is near 3rd world status

wrong.  

actually go to a third world country (which doesn't exist anmore anyways)and then go a poor area of the U.S.  there is no comparison.