what CD may look like?

[Tronx]

Althought this is a topic from GNRSOURCE.COM I was woundering if we could discuss it here....what you guys think?


So here's the songs:

Chinese Democracy (Freese/Rose): Written in or before March, 2000. Josh Freese brought the song in, and Axl wrote the lyrics.

Better (Finck/Rose): Written in or before 2004. Axl wrote the lyrics, and Robin Finck most likely wrote some of the music. Rumored as the first single, and a clip was leaked as part of a Harley Davidson commercial late last year.

I.R.S. (Rose): Written in or before 1999. Axl wrote the lyrics. It's not unlikely Paul Tobias may have contributed to the music.

There Was A Time (Rose): Written in or before 1999. Axl wrote the lyrics.

The Blues (Rose): Written in or before 2000. Axl at wrote the lyrics. Robin Finck wrote the guitar melodies (which will probably be uncredited).

Madagascar (Pitman/Rose): Written in or before 2000. Axl wrote the lyrics, while at least some of the music was written by Chris Pitman. It's very unlikely someone else than Pitman could put together the solo part of the song.

The General (Mantia/Rose): Written in or before 2002. Another song that is likely to be on the album. According to Dizzy, "The General" is a song Brain brought in: "Last year Brain had this song called "The General" that was really cool." Axl wrote the lyrics and Marco Beltrami confirmed he worked on that song, adding arrangements.

Seven (Beltrami/Rose): Written in or before 2002. Beltrami also said worked on this one: "[There is] a song called "Seven," which is the one that I did the most work on, I actually did some writing on." Axl wrote the lyrics and others may have contributed.

Leave Me Alone (Rose) & Thyme (Rose): Both written in or before 2002. Marco Beltrami also worked on these two songs. Axl did at least write the lyrics.

I'm Sorry (Finck/Rose): Written in or before 2006. Very likely to be on the album. Sebastian Bach mentioned the song, and with him talking about it, the song is most likely considered for release. Bach said the song is "almost like doom metal with Axl singing really clean over this grinding, slow beat that is fucking mean. I cannot get it out of my head." Rumors indicate that Robin Finck co-wrote the song.

Prositute (Rose): "Prostitute" is another song that is very likely to be on "Chinese Democracy". The song goes back to 1996, and it was first confirmed by Kerrang in 1999. I did however get confirmation that it's much older through a contact who was working at Geffen. He said he heard the song, and said it was a rocking tune that reminded him of the old band. He may have said the song was kinda like "November Rain" meets "Nightrain", but this is based on a conversation that happened in 1997, so memory slips.

"Prostitute" was also a song producer Youth worked on. This was early in the process of the recording of "Chinese Democracy". Youth tried to make Axl work on music, but there was little progress. Youth said "Axl was working on a song called "Prostitute", which is a working title and everything was going real slow."

With everyone talking about how "Better" is most likely the first single, I'll throw in "Prostitute" as a candidate. The song was on a list of alternative tracks for the band to play live (posted at the band's official page), and if it was there, doesn't that indicate that there could be a reason it's there? Most fans seems to agree that the band needs a rocking song as a single, and if "Prostitute" fits that description, then why not release it as a single? I don't know, and I won't claim anything, but I personally don't regard "Better" as a perfect choice as a single.

I feel Paul Buckmaster's following quote backs up the claim that "Prostitute" may be a very strong song too: "[It's a] mid-up, kind of biting 4 minute song with an aggressive rhythm section. The way I wrote for the string section (32-piece, consisting of ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos) gave the song another dimension. [The song is] powerful, like fire and ice."

Also a 15 seconds clip titled "Checkmate" was leaked onto the internet a while back. Some people speculate this song is "Prostitute", but I see no reason for this claim. If you repeat things enough times, people starts believing it.

If The World (Rose): Written in or before 2006. Another song on the mentioned setlist was "If The World". Obviously with the song on that list, there's good reasons to believe it's a track they consider to release, and it could also be a candidate for being a single (and thus being a "big gun"). Currently, very little information is available about the song, but it could be that the title is incomplete, since GnR has a tendency to shorten titles in setlists. There's also indications that Frank Ferrer may have worked on the song.

This I Love (Rose): Possibly the new song fans has talked about most these past years. Most would know it's fairly old, and it stretches back to 1991-1993. The song has been said to be a piano ballad, and it's rumored to be the answer to the trilogy (Don't Cry - November Rain - Estranged). While the first part of this may have some truth to it, it's unknown where the rumor about the trilogy answer comes from (especially since "Estranged" could be considered an answer to it too). Axl did say back in 1993 that he wrote and recorded the song, but that's also the only quote from GnR members we have: "I wrote and recorded a new song that I want to have on the [next] record called 'This I Love.'"

The engineer Dave Dominguez confirmed that the recording took place, and it seems like it was done by the whole band, not just Axl: "This I love" is actually an old GN'R song that the original GN'R wrote and recorded for the "Illusion" records. I like that song a lot." Another engineer, Howard Karp, later said "I only worked with Axl, no one else, it was a solo piano piece. I heard nothing else. Axl was cool, two short evenings, nothing too eventful."

This quote most likely refers to a re-recording of the song. Dave Dominguez backs this up by claiming that the song was supposed to be on a soundtrack, and that it was considered for the album for that reason: "This I Love" was supposed to be for a suoundtrack to a Robin Williams movie awhile back thats the only reason any old track was even thought about by Axl that track was never going be on the record." So even if it was a piano piece then, it doesn't have to be a new "November Rain". For now, it seems less likely that "This I Love" is on "Chinese Democracy", but it may very well still be. If it really is a gem, time will tell.

Ides of March (Reed/Rose): "Ides of March" is a song only the engineer Dave Dominguez has mentioned: ""Ides of March" was a working title of one of the songs that came from a loop name that Dizzy came up with I think they kept the name but it's been years so I'm sure everything has changed by now." The song was written in or before 2004.

Oklahoma (Rose): This song was written in 1996, and will probably not be on the album. Axl said the following about the song: "I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing. We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal."

Dave Dominguez also confirmed the songtitle, saying the song "was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio [Rumbo]. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died if I'm not mistaken)."

Other songs: Zodiac, Quick Song, Atlas Shrugged (Both possibly working titles and unconfirmed; sp1at.com brought up these titles), Cock-a-roach Soup, Suckerpunched, No Love Remains, Friend Or Foe, Zip It, Something Always, Hearts Get Killed, Closing In On You (all from Kerrang, 1999, unconfirmed songs), Strange Disease (rumoered track, source unknown).


(I'll leave out "Silkworms", "Riyadh" and "Catcher In The Rye", since these most likely won't be on the album). I'll focus on the songs we didn't hear yet.

[Guns N Roses 4 Lyf]

id like to thonk prostitue is a candidate. would suprise us all

[monom]

Great, But he forgot 'Broken', a song that Frank worked on, he said it was his favourite track some time ago.

-m n m

[Dmat514]

why do you feel catcher might not make the record?

[Guns N Roses 4 Lyf]

why do you feel catcher might not make the record?

axl said on the radio last may it most probably wont make the cd, but maybe the 1 after

[Tronx]

well In Their Own Words.................................. .........

Brain May: I think I played on 3 tracks, and messed around on various other things. But it worked out pretty well as far as I can tell.

Axl: I don't know if he'll actually be on the album. This hasn't been completely decided.

Brian May: "Catcher in the Rye" is a great track. I was pretty surprised to find a mix of it in my inbox this week. After all these years. I wonder who leaked this stuff. Yes, my guitar is there, nice and crisply recorded. It was a blast doing the sessions. I had flown out to LA specially to play on the record for Axl. I've sat on whatever I have or know about these songs ever since that moment out of respect for Axl. Confidentiality is part of respect for me. So I will watch with interest. I like the track a lot and always did. And it still sounds very fresh. The thing that hits you first is that incredible, incredible voice. We've been missing it for far too long. Axl is magic.

Axl: That's still on the demo of the song.

[rds.06]

I'll throw in "Prostitute" as a candidate. The song was on a list of alternative tracks for the band to play live (posted at the band's official page), and if it was there, doesn't that indicate that there could be a reason it's there?

I thought having these songs on the setlist, and then putting them on the website was kinda of joke by Axl? Im sure they were never going to play them. If they had any intention in playing them it would have happened at some show by now.

[Tronx]

Good Point there rds

[Lucky]

many facts above are wrong...
madagascar-written '93

[misterbrownstone]

I thought having these songs on the setlist, and then putting them on the website was kinda of joke by Axl? Im sure they were never going to play them. If they had any intention in playing them it would have happened at some show by now.

the original plan (Axl said it himself) was to slowly play more new songs (If The World..., Prostitute) as time drew closer to the album, but since the album wans't coming, they wouldn't play the songs.

[Tronx]

Maybe this upcoming tours are going to bring us new songs?????? I mean is logical.....isnt it? o wait.......everything around this band is not logical lolololol

[cuddergnr]

great thread guys thanks , sure to put this in my Chinese Democracy Document 

[SlashNBurn]

Maybe this upcoming tours are going to bring us new songs?????? I mean is logical.....isnt it? o wait.......everything around this band is not logical lolololol

Hahahahahaha

Sooooooooooooooooo fucking true.

[CITR]

Didn't Richard say CITR was going to be on the album.