Implicit Meanings In The New Material - SERIOUS DISCUSSION ONLY

[bucketheader]

does anyone think that in the new material that there is digs and implicit meanings intended in the contexts.

For Example: Madagascar

Lines such as "I won't be told anymore, that i've been brought down in the storm" and "It's Never Too Late".

is it me or if you listen really closely the anger in the song Chinese Democracvy with the line "Cause it would take a lot more hate than you....to kill the fascination"

Could Axl himself be taking digs and such at the negativity of the old naysayers, the old band and other critics implicitly

[I ARE ESS]

i dunno,

in madagascar probably seems that way

but i think the song chinese demoracy is actally mean to be political

i just cant decide how relevant it is to today

cos i really dont know much about china

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Madagascar IMO is about the old band and how they all left Axl .

[bucketheader]

well that's what i was thinking, Chinese Democracy can have many meanings, political, theoretically i'd say is the most important, however Madagascar is definitely about abandonment of the band and how he can come back and still retain that he "won't be told anymore"

[RoyalAccident]

'CAUSE IT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE TIME THAN YOU
HAVE GOT FOR (THE) FASCINATION'

Hm ya i agree with you.
I believe that the whole album's songs are about the new band.
Better -Better voice, Better band!
IRS - How Stephanie sued Axl
The Blues - About how he loves/loved Erin & Stehpanie
There Was A Time - How the old band did drugs and had fun and the problems they had. (Broken glass and cigarettes, writing on the wall, it was a bargain for the summer, and I htought I had it all). Also how he Axl said in that Rant that 'Drugs, and drinking dont work no more in the real world folks' that ('I thought I had it all') but its a lot more than he knew about ROck n' Roll..
Madagascar - 9/11, or Iraq, or how the world is sooo Evil.
Sorry - im thinking a song for his mom. (but we havent heard it)
Chinese Democracy - how USA is turning into a Chinese Government maybe..im not sure.
Catcher In The Rye - John Lennon.

[b]

CD is in my opinion about power-relation (in a organisational/sociological meaning).
so it can be applied to politics, personal life, anything.

and of course about Freedom.

as i would think that most of the songs are longtime written, i dont know if we can expect very current-news linked lyrics. they will be either generic (freedom, love ...) or link to axl's life i guess ...

wierd, how he will release a cd full of songs that he wrote a LONG time ago. will they still resonate in his mind/life ? or did he change ....

[I ARE ESS]

yeah its also like he had to face alot of sht or certainly comes across that he feels that way
with the lines (that ive been left out in this storm)
cos madagascar is a very storm battered island off africa that is very alone too
clever title

and yeah chinese democracy does seem political

but like i said i dont know enough


chinese democracy is quite clever cos it could be about helping ppeople opressedby the chinese government

look at the line

Cause it could take alot more hate than you
to stop the fascination

fascination

Fascist nation  

i know china calls itself democracy

is actually communism i think

but doesnt it have some sort of dictator

[I ARE ESS]

'CAUSE IT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE TIME THAN YOU
HAVE GOT FOR (THE) FASCINATION'

Hm ya i agree with you.
I believe that the whole album's songs are about the new band.
Better -Better voice, Better band!
IRS - How Stephanie sued Axl
The Blues - About how he loves/loved Erin & Stehpanie
There Was A Time - How the old band did drugs and had fun and the problems they had. (Broken glass and cigarettes, writing on the wall, it was a bargain for the summer, and I htought I had it all). Also how he Axl said in that Rant that 'Drugs, and drinking dont work no more in the real world folks' that ('I thought I had it all') but its a lot more than he knew about ROck n' Roll..
Madagascar - 9/11, or Iraq, or how the world is sooo Evil.
Sorry - im thinking a song for his mom. (but we havent heard it)
Chinese Democracy - how USA is turning into a Chinese Government maybe..im not sure.
Catcher In The Rye - John Lennon.

nothing personal but i completely dissagree on some points

listen to the lyrics in better - i think its about growing up and learning from mistakes you have made in the past.

i agree with you on I.R.S

i think the blues is about a relationship gone wrong, who knows who its about? maybe only axl. maybe this person is on a path to self destruction "all the love in the world couldnt save you"

I agree with you on there was a time but i think its deeper, i think its about how he would hae done anything for those people at that time. "yeah there was a time (i would do anything for you"

Madagascar i think is about what i said in my last post

what was the point in putting sorry down? its unheard by us, so who knows

i think chinese democracy is about what i said in my last post mAYBE, I THINK ITS POLITICAL TOO

i agree with you about catcher but i think it got summin to do with the novel too - hence the title

[b]

again, *

I ARE ESS, communism has nothing to do with facism.
you can have capitalistic facism, communist facism, red, white, blue anything.

we are blending facism and communism cause the only failed exemple of communism we had was under a facist regime.

america, europe, is very much facist in many ways (sneaky ways ...) and i think that IS what axl is pointing at... at least what i am hearing

[I ARE ESS]

again, *

I ARE ESS, communism has nothing to do with facism.
you can have capitalistic facism, communist facism, red, white, blue anything.

we are blending facism and communism cause the only failed exemple of communism we had was under a facist regime.

america, europe, is very much facist in many ways (sneaky ways ...) and i think that IS what axl is pointing at... at least what i am hearing

clever point i like that

that gives the title whole new meaning

not just an oxy moron

[GNRForever10]

CATCHER IN THE RYE!!!

 Obviously it has the meaning of AXl's childhood and being RAPED in the song, the song is about rape.

[bumbleslash]

damnit i thought we could finaly have a thread without Zachedwards...

anyways Chinese Democracy, in terms is something that is imposible to reach. It's an oxymoron. I think thats the message thats put out to, its very much like the beatles song revolution.. you can't change the world. i think that song is political in

Better A song about Steph Seymor (most of the album is probably about her, imo). This song if i'm right was created in a spur of the moment thing between Fink and Axl at some show. Robin just came up with the riff. thats what i heard anyways. I think that the message in it is "now that you know better, now you know you were wrong"

The Bluesthis song is about being in love and being rejected, you can tell pretty easy once you have the experience to relate to it. Also it is kinda like Better, imo Better and Blues go together very well. The Blues is  another message from Axl stating that he's over Steph (ie. What I Thought was Beatiful don't live inside of you anymore)

IRSThe weekest track that will be on the album. Don't take that the wrong way, its actualy a good thing. Most bands would take IRS as one of there best songs. IMO this song is about all the financial problems Axl's had with GNR and divorses.

Catcher In The Rye Possible once finished, and if done correctly. the best GNR song ever recorded. It's easily about John Lennon, and how much his insperation met to Axl. I don't think theres even a question about it, it's also one of those 'coming of age' songs too. If you notice throught out the main verse of the song it changes from "The Old folks" to "The Young Folks".

TWAT (there was a time) Much like 'Catcher' it has the chances at being one of GNRs all time classics. The song is simple enough in the titles, i hope this is the closing song on the CD. It packs such a powerfull message. This song goes with 'Madagascar' kinda like how Better and the Blues go together. Axl is telling his side of the story. (ie. Ya, there was a time, do you wanna know it all?). The guitar solo's are unbelivable in this song, and i think that Axl wanted them like that, just to slam Slash even more.

Madagascar This song is directed directly at the old band, more specificaly Izzy. Why Izzy, cause this song has been floating around for 14 years. I think though, as time went by the song was directed towards all of OldGNR. Again like TWAT Axl is telling his side of the tale, and letting everyone know how it was them who left him.. not the other way around.

This I Love Althought never heard, this is a song that follows in the tradition of November Rain and Estranged. It's an Axl-piano song. This song is from the early 90s and is about how everything was right in Axl's life for a time. The recording session is said to be the most heartfull and intimate Axl has ever done.

Oklahoma A song about the Oklahoma bombings in the 90s, recorded when Axl was going through his divorse. I wouldn't be suprised if its been reworked to include 9/11 in it too.

Oh My God A song that Axl struggled to put words too in the late 90s. Then after Welcome to the Jungle a few times, Axl caught onto the opening phrase in the song. With that 'oh..my...god..." he wrote this sucka down in 20 minutes. Thats as the story goes.



I think that covers all the bases, of course its all my opinion, and alot of stuff is backed by facts too.. ie: Oklahoma, OMG and This I Love.

[PrettieTiedUp]

Maddy has to do with the old band and not how they left but how there relationship were left and its more like axl saying its never to late to forgive thats y i think you havent really heard anything negative from axl about is old bandmates since the 2002 tour now the thing with him saying shit about duff scott and matt i honestly do believe that because after that whole incedent Slash went in to rehab

[BillBailey]

I believe the song TWAT started out talking about the old band and the old life and how it one point it was everything but then morphs into another song about Stephanie Seymour. The parts at the end of the song where axl is saying I would do anything for you....there was a time.....Is about both the band and stephanie.