The Loooong Thread about politics

[ageisler18]

Ok.... this thread needs to be started for many reasons

1)This place has turned into crap lately.  We used to have good educated(some people at least) debates/discussions about politics.

MODS: Move 80% of the threads on this page to the garden or jungle.
       -No Movies, No music, No random crap.  Just news and sports.

2)I've lost all but a little interest in the band but still like coming here from time to time to talk to people.  We've been retaken over by thirteen year olds and very few people who like bands that aren't gn'r, motley crue, metallica, iron maiden or ozzy(not that there is anything wrong with those bands). There is very static discussion in the music section.

3)The Jungle
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Ok... so I've had my rant. Basically I'd like a reason to keep coming here, before I completely give up on you guys.

I'll start.  Let me start it off with some current events.

As some of you may or may not know one of my favorite fuckers, paul wolfowitz head of the world bank, has officially been replaced(well in the near future at least), by Robert Zoellick.  Paul wolfowitz was 2nd only to rumsfeld in fucking up the iraq war.  Zoellick has been well known in all corners of the world including being the us trade representative and the deputy secretary of state.  However, Zoellick has been accused of being an advocate of only rich countrys which seems like a joke to me becuase he was known for being one of the main advocates in helping out darfur as deputy secretary of state.  Anyways please share your thoughts with me or bring up something else.

[Robbie]

gay

[lilwing]

hey, I like movies.

[Paddy12345]

this thread isnt very long

[Rocket Queen]

Oh god, if you don't have shit to say, don't.

I haven't really looked into it as much, but I guess I agree with you to a certain degree, I don't really think that he was a good replacement. And the fact that he has worked under Bush for quite some time and that he don't really have the correct repotoaire for this job doesn't make it that much better.

Sorry about the long fucked up sentences, I'll get back to this later, too late.

[sunnyp]

Yet another Bush cronie being put in to maintain America's expansionist policy.

Good idea for a thread though.

If I had my way the neo-cons would be lined up and shot against some derelict brick wall in a dingy little forest somewhere and their bodies would be left to rot. The elected officials in america are the scum of the earth and are dragging America's name through the mud. In a democracy the elected officials reflect general public opinion, so don't be surprised if the rest of the world hates you. I try to treat every person as an individual and not label them by the decisions of their leaders. however with some of the stupid things I hear on this forum about the Gulf conflict it is hard to see any peace loving, liberal Americans that haven't been sucked into this pro-Jew-media-fest-war.   

[lilwing]

Yet another Bush cronie being put in to maintain America's expansionist policy.

Good idea for a thread though.

If I had my way the neo-cons would be lined up and shot against some derelict brick wall in a dingy little forest somewhere and their bodies would be left to rot. The elected officials in america are the scum of the earth and are dragging America's name through the mud. In a democracy the elected officials reflect general public opinion, so don't be surprised if the rest of the world hates you. I try to treat every person as an individual and not label them by the decisions of their leaders. however with some of the stupid things I hear on this forum about the Gulf conflict it is hard to see any peace loving, liberal Americans that haven't been sucked into this pro-Jew-media-fest-war.   

Your comments are contradictory. You try to treat every person as an individual, yet you think all neo cons should be shot and apparently have something against jews. In the words of Luke skywalker "I feel the conflict within you, let go of your hate!"

[lilwing]

I consider myself to be somewhat a consumer of political news, but things like that I can't get excited about. Head of the world bank, why the attorney general fired a couple judges...... I know I'm gonna get blasted for this, but with everything going on in the world, these things seem like the most minute details of non consequential political events. 

[sunnyp]

Your comments are contradictory. You try to treat every person as an individual, yet you think all neo cons should be shot and apparently have something against jews. In the words of Luke skywalker "I feel the conflict within you, let go of your hate!"

Dont try and pick holes in what I've written. It's watertight and not at all contradictory. Perhaps you can explain exactly how they are contradictory?

The neo-cons (ie the post 2000 Republican Party) have lied, cheated, murdered and destroyed to futher themselves and line their own pockets.

I have nothing against Jew's. I have a problem with the Israeli government and I have problems with the Jew owned media in the Western world. In no part did I write "I hate all Jew's".

I'll be waiting!!

[Paddy12345]

The republicans shouldn't have gotten into power anyway, theres just too many stupid americans to see through their lies.

[nemo]

The neo-cons (ie the post 2000 Republican Party) have lied, cheated, murdered and destroyed to futher themselves and line their own pockets.

I'll be waiting!!

That's the contradictory part, you've just blanket labelled all current members of the Republican party as being willing to lie, cheat and kill to advance their own careers and fortunes.  There were Republicans that opposed the Iraq war too y'know, just as there were Democrats who supported it

[ageisler18]

Yeah, but he was talking about the neo-cons and their mind bogglingly misguided judgements through out their term.  You're right too, I consider my self to have somewhat conservative ideals and do not support the war either.  I'd like to line up the neo-cons and shoot them as well.  I've listed many rants about how they have fucked everything up.  While old Georgie isn't a wonderboy in himself, the neo-cons have found a way to sink america into a scary looking hole.  Which, quite frankly, isn't even close to the bottom.  Everything is slowly rising in price and we haven't began to feel the effects of the war.  The worlds strongest economy is going into recession. It also relates to the fact that this government has the highest tax bracket leniency and fucked the rest of america.  Who the fuck would realize that the gas companies have had their highest prices in years and also made the highest profits and not do anything about it?  What the fuck?

[Paddy12345]

Prices of gas in America are still much lower than in the UK.

[Faxl]

True 

Every month we inch closer to £1 per litre.

And as for ASDA's watered-down unleaded....

[Paddy12345]

Fuckin ASDA

[Slashist]

the price of gas is dictated by demand.  there's nothing we can do about it.  sure it leads to oil companies turning record profits, but thats the nature of capitalism.  high oil and resource prices are driving the Canadian Economy right now.  Our dollar is higher against the U.S. dollar than its been since 1977, and may surpass the U.S. dollar soon.  In North America prices will stay high for a while and then stabilize once new refineries are completed, right now in Canada and the U.S. they are starting to build their first ones since the 70s.  In the long run it is better for oil companies to have lower prices with room for extra capacity.  Anyways, as someone in the Oil Industry I don't mind paying a bit more for gas, I'm also enjoying a record high salary.



also, the mods do need to cleanup the Green Room, its gone to shit.  most of the threads in here should be in the garden

[sunnyp]

That's the contradictory part, you've just blanket labelled all current members of the Republican party as being willing to lie, cheat and kill to advance their own careers and fortunes.  There were Republicans that opposed the Iraq war too y'know, just as there were Democrats who supported it

I am sure there are some moderates within the republican party. They are still scum but they are there!

However the far-right hard-liners known as the neo-cons should all be shot. How is that contradictory?!

So when I write the neo-cons should be shot, you took it as all republicans, which is not what I wrote. Please dont try and twist my words.

Yeah I'm sure there were democrats who wanted war, I'll admit that I got caught up in the whole we need war idea but that is because we were being given false intel by the neo-con administration about WMD's when all they wanted was oil. 

[nemo]

So when I write the neo-cons should be shot, you took it as all republicans, which is not what I wrote. Please dont try and twist my words.

y'see, you didn't really in your first post, it was in your clarification post when you said...

The neo-cons (ie the post 2000 Republican Party) have lied, cheated, murdered

whether it was meant as a balnket statement or not, what you said did actually label anyone involved with the Republican party since 2000 as a neo-con and from what I know of syllogisms, if all A's are B's and all B's are C's, it follows that all A's are C's and therefore you perhaps inadvertantly advocated lining all Republicans up against a wall to be shot for being murdering, lying cheats.

God, don't they teach logic at schools any more... (sorry, I know you're a couple of years older than me and everything, I've just always wanted an excuse to use the 'what do they teach kids these days?' rant)

[sunnyp]

Ok fair enough my bad. Nemo and Lilwing were right.

Although I dont retract what I said when I say that all of the neo-cons should be shot. 

[Paddy12345]

Good for you

[Paddy12345]

This is funny


Couple breach Downing St security 
 
The gates were installed during the IRA's bombing campaign
A couple managed to bypass security measures and walk straight into Downing Street, it has emerged.
Obadiah Marius, 44, and his girlfriend walked through a government building on neighbouring Whitehall without being checked, a No 10 spokesman confirmed.

The route allowed them to avoid the wrought iron gates installed to protect the prime minister from bombers.

Mr Marius was charged by police but his girlfriend was released. His lawyers say he made a "genuine mistake".

Restricted area

Visitors to Downing Street are normally subjected to security measures including checks on identity and screening with airport-style scanners.

The incident occurred on Monday afternoon when Mr Marius and his partner walked into 70 Whitehall, which houses the Cabinet Office.

The pair found themselves at the rear of the building, which backs on to Downing Street, without being challenged.

They had circumnavigated the gates installed by Margaret Thatcher to thwart terrorists during the IRA bombing campaign in the 1980s.

The pair were arrested under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act.

Mr Marius, from east London, appeared before magistrates on Thursday.

A government spokesman confirmed the pair had been detained in Downing Street, but said they had not gained access to No 10 itself or got anywhere near the prime minister's office.

 

[misterbrownstone]

this thread isnt very long

you're an idiot.  people like you are what Andy is talking about.

[sunnyp]

This is funny


Couple breach Downing St security 
 
The gates were installed during the IRA's bombing campaign
A couple managed to bypass security measures and walk straight into Downing Street, it has emerged.
Obadiah Marius, 44, and his girlfriend walked through a government building on neighbouring Whitehall without being checked, a No 10 spokesman confirmed.

The route allowed them to avoid the wrought iron gates installed to protect the prime minister from bombers.

Mr Marius was charged by police but his girlfriend was released. His lawyers say he made a "genuine mistake".

Restricted area

Visitors to Downing Street are normally subjected to security measures including checks on identity and screening with airport-style scanners.

The incident occurred on Monday afternoon when Mr Marius and his partner walked into 70 Whitehall, which houses the Cabinet Office.

The pair found themselves at the rear of the building, which backs on to Downing Street, without being challenged.

They had circumnavigated the gates installed by Margaret Thatcher to thwart terrorists during the IRA bombing campaign in the 1980s.

The pair were arrested under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act.

Mr Marius, from east London, appeared before magistrates on Thursday.

A government spokesman confirmed the pair had been detained in Downing Street, but said they had not gained access to No 10 itself or got anywhere near the prime minister's office.

 

Reminds me of when that man dressed in a tutu invaded Prince William's birthday party! hahaha.