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[joda76]

Why?

[thelostrose]

G.W. Bush. why? just take a look at the press! he's got the wrong advisers and he's too stupid to check that out...the only reason why he's a politician, is because his whole family is in politics.

[Jotarou]

George W. Bush is a good president.

[thelostrose]

George W. Bush is a good president.

i don't wanna start a senseless discussion, but why?

[joda76]

George W. Bush is a good president.

i don't wanna start a senseless discussion, but why?

I can't speak for "thelostrose", but here's something I posted on the primary thread to contrast john Kerry's primary compaign. I'll elaborate on why I think Bush is a good president when more results from this poll are in.

Bush on the issues

1. restoring jobs/ rebuilding our economy

bush has already cut taxes for EVERYONE, which has led to the fastest growth in our economy in 20 years. 3 million jobs in the first 500 days? The net loss of jobs has only been around three hundred thousand. Kerry is probably talking about federalizing jobs that already exist. thats an empty campaign promise.

2. winning peace in Iraq

Lets face it, the world is a better place now that the taliban and saddam's regime are gone. Women in afganistan won't be stoned to death for speaking their minds, or beaten for showing their face in public. Iraqis won't have to watch their women raped or their children tortured. Their tongues won't be cut out for speaking their minds, no more acid baths for people who refuse to keep portraits of saddam in their house. saddam's sons will no longer be able to kill you and make your wife part of their harem. None of these candidates, short of maybe leiberman, would have made the world a better place the way bush has, and none of them have the resolve to see this thing through the way it needs to be seen through.

3. access to affordable health care

Bush just signed the biggest health care entitlement EVER! The reason there was a shortage on the flew vaccine this year was because clinton signed lesgislation making it unprofitable for drug companies to make it, thus they stopped making it. since when are drug companies the bad guys. they make stuff that saves your life.

4. defending america's home land

Defeating terrorism abroad is the best place to start defending our homeland. Thanks to Bush, the CIA and the FBI can now network and connect the dots.

5. Creating a new era for american schools

Bush let Ted Kennedy write the education bill. Bush is throwing more money at schools than any president has. And school vouchers giving intercity kids the chance to compete at better schools.

6. the environment

Bush has given automakers a timetable to create cars that run on hydrogen cells. He has also pushed for oil drilling in remote locations in alaska, hundreds of miles from any wild life. This would reduce our dependency on foreign oil as well as be more globally enviromentally friendly, since we'd be using american oil companies who are restricted by american enviromental laws. Unlike the third world countries we currently import oil from who have no enviromental laws.

7. Foreign policy

Well, this one is pretty simple. Don't make deals with terrorist regimes!

8. affordable college

I didn't really see how Kerry addressed this one. But thanks to bush + kennedy's education bill, more kids will be accepted in colleges because they've been able to get their primary education at better schools.

To read "john Kerry on the issues" visit the democratic primary thread in the green room.

[joda76]

G.W. Bush. why? just take a look at the press! he's got the wrong advisers and he's too stupid to check that out...the only reason why he's a politician, is because his whole family is in politics.

Which press? Which advisors? Condoleeza Rice and Tom Ridge have been two of the most candid advisors in Bush's administration.

[thelostrose]

2. winning peace in Iraq

Lets face it, the world is a better place now that the taliban and saddam's regime are gone. Women in afganistan won't be stoned to death for speaking their minds, or beaten for showing their face in public. Iraqis won't have to watch their women raped or their children tortured. Their tongues won't be cut out for speaking their minds, no more acid baths for people who refuse to keep portraits of saddam in their house. saddam's sons will no longer be able to kill you and make your wife part of their harem. None of these candidates, short of maybe leiberman, would have made the world a better place the way bush has, and none of them have the resolve to see this thing through the way it needs to be seen through.

well, he and blair started that war with lies. bush only attacked iraq coz his father wasn't able to remove him! and, now? nearly every day an american soldier dies in iraq. so why don't leave the americans iraq after removing saddam - which on one hand was good, on the other, who comes next? so why are american soldiers still there? only one reason, oil!

5. Creating a new era for american schools

Bush let Ted Kennedy write the education bill. Bush is throwing more money at schools than any president has. And school vouchers giving intercity kids the chance to compete at better schools.

:thumbup:

7. Foreign policy

Well, this one is pretty simple. Don't make deals with terrorist regimes!

a lot of terrorist trainings camps are in libya, as i remeber that correctly, but why don't you hear anything about the US doing anything against that?
well, bush fights a war, but he still does it the wrong way!

[joda76]

2. winning peace in Iraq

Lets face it, the world is a better place now that the taliban and saddam's regime are gone. Women in afganistan won't be stoned to death for speaking their minds, or beaten for showing their face in public. Iraqis won't have to watch their women raped or their children tortured. Their tongues won't be cut out for speaking their minds, no more acid baths for people who refuse to keep portraits of saddam in their house. saddam's sons will no longer be able to kill you and make your wife part of their harem. None of these candidates, short of maybe leiberman, would have made the world a better place the way bush has, and none of them have the resolve to see this thing through the way it needs to be seen through.

well, he and blair started that war with lies. bush only attacked iraq coz his father wasn't able to remove him! and, now? nearly every day an american soldier dies in iraq. so why don't leave the americans iraq after removing saddam - which on one hand was good, on the other, who comes next? so why are american soldiers still there? only one reason, oil!

5. Creating a new era for american schools

Bush let Ted Kennedy write the education bill. Bush is throwing more money at schools than any president has. And school vouchers giving intercity kids the chance to compete at better schools.

:thumbup:

7. Foreign policy

Well, this one is pretty simple. Don't make deals with terrorist regimes!

a lot of terrorist trainings camps are in libya, as i remeber that correctly, but why don't you hear anything about the US doing anything against that?
well, bush fights a war, but he still does it the wrong way!

Oil, eh? Than why aren't we taking it now? why are we letting the Iraqi's keep their oil. We're rebuilding Iraq without touching one pint of oil. American soldiers are still there because thats where the terrorists are. If we didn't fight them there we'd be fighting them here. G.H. Bush could have, and should have, taken out saddam, but Powell talked him out of it. On what hand is it bad that saddam was captured? Lybia will be dealt with, and it will be a hell of alot easier to deal with them now that they know we're willing to take them to task.

[2NaFish]

just looking at that list makes me think that america has had some truely awful presidents.

[gan7676]

gh bush

[matt]

as you do post some good points joda, the reason why the US is still in iraq is to see democracy take hold.  if we leave now, iraq will be left in a state of dissarray and another dictator would rise to power.  remember, saddam hussein ousted a dictatorship and those people (now the kurds) want back in.  hence alot of the car bombings and so forth going on over there now.  if we leave, we've done no good for the iraqi's.  there'd be nothing but looting, starvation and poverty on a mass scale.  bad press for the coalition.  once the iraqi's can take care of themselves and the country is rebuilt, we're gone...at least on a political and/or policing type nature.  we'll probably keep an air force base in the region..much like we did in germany and japan after the war....which is exactly what we're doing now in iraq...rebuilding and seeing it through.

also, if blair and bush were lying...i'm not sure which brainwashed idiot posted that and i really don't care (just sounds like another anti-american person--remember, alot of people will hate the big guy just because, well, he's the big guy and has it all)--then how come every other leader of the free world believed hussein had WMD if not a nuclear program?  we've found the facilities where the stuff was being produced...is that not proof enough?  it may be years before we find the actual weapons.  hell, just last month stockpiles of hitlers chemical weapons were found in a plundered ship in the north sea...almost 60 years after it was sunk.  nobody even knew he had that kind of stuff.  

what's to say hussein, while the UN dragged it's feet for a year and put up with his bull shit 'you can't go here or there but you can go there...we'll let you go here next week', didn't put his shit on a ship and sink it somewhere in the indian ocean...or bury it in the desert?

either way, the world is a better place w/o hussein and if we have to protect ourselves by taking down such regimes to prevent terrorism here and abroad,  so be it.  kadafi was next, and he was smart.  now the CIA has full reign to check out anything in libya that they want, on the ground, and wipe out terrorist threats with the help of the libyan armed forces.

[2NaFish]

i seem to remember britain had an air base in iraq 70 years ago after we invaded it. Didn't do much good. In fact it was the first place that was attacked by the rebellious (and victorious forces). When u say ur in for the long haul i hope u mean fifty years and not five.

[Jeff]

i think that bush(the now bush) is a very good president. the joined forces (although agreeably mostly american) have taken saddam hussein from power and stopped the murders of the iraqi people. if they hadn't gone to war he would still be in power and terrorising his people.

[sopranofan78]

Tricky Dicky.  Let us not forget that America was fighting a senseless war in Vietnam (or police action if you prefer, but explain the difference to the families of the millions who died there) virtually the whole time he was president.  He was also a liar, cheat, and thief, even by political standards.  And, to be perfectly honest, I just think he was a real cocksucker.