Does Axl sound.....

[loretian]

Axl doesn't use pitch control.  There is no way with how dynamic and changing his voice is.   Anyone here who is a sound engineer and has worked with pitch control software knows what I'd mean.  It's possible it could be hidden some of the time, but not all the time, not in a live environment and with the way Axl sings.

I have never heard a single clip where you can hear evidence of pitch control being used.   The guys that do use it... you can tell after listening for awhile.

[bumbleslash]

Axl doesn't use pitch control.  There is no way with how dynamic and changing his voice is.   Anyone here who is a sound engineer and has worked with pitch control software knows what I'd mean.  It's possible it could be hidden some of the time, but not all the time, not in a live environment and with the way Axl sings.

I have never heard a single clip where you can hear evidence of pitch control being used.   The guys that do use it... you can tell after listening for awhile.

listen from 02 to 06/7. he's using something. and when he doesn't (ie vma06) he sounds like 02 axl. the man is 45 he doesn't sound good by himself. some of yous have your heads so far up axl's ass you probably see slash.

[UcudBmine]

Practice makes perfect. He lost a lot of weight too, when Elvis got fat his voice got worse too.

[shotgunbluesXXX]

listen from 02 to 06/7. he's using something. and when he doesn't (ie vma06) he sounds like 02 axl. the man is 45 he doesn't sound good by himself. some of yous have your heads so far up axl's ass you probably see slash.

That has nothing to do with how raspy his voice is.  Your obsession with the VMA thing makes next to no sense.  There were times on the 2006 and 2007 tour where his "Jungle scream" sounded basically identical to that.  There were times when he would hold it for 10 seconds, others for nearly 30.  Sometimes he sounded incredibly high and clean, other times it sounded very raspy, and it varied from night to night and song to song.  Listen to 2006 IRS from Am Ring and his voice goes from high and clean at the beginning when he sounds a little winded and shaky, and by the end of the song it's raspy and full of power when he really puts everything into it.  Or maybe you think he forgot to flip his "pitch control" switch on at the beginning of the song and remembered halfway through, who knows

Of course he uses some sort of filtering and amplification technology just like very other singer does in a big concert setting, and he has a hip pack that can adjust his settings.  But you don't go from sounding like he did in 2002 live to how he sounded in 2006 live just by technology.  Compare the 2002 LALD scream to the 2006 ones, the 2002 version blows the 2006 one away.  But if what you're saying was true the 2006 version would be better.  If you think the only difference between how he sounded in 2002 and 2006 was technology then you are sadly mistaken.  "Studio magic" doesn't work to that degree in a live concert setting

[AndAndew]

Simple Axl isnt as hostile and crazy on stage anymore so his singing will never be that raw. But he still sounds just as good as ever. The range he has now is out of this world, He has broadened his vocal range greatly and I dont think anyone can go as high as he can as fast as he can. So you can really judge either way. Also we have yet to see him put on a full set from Chinese Democracy. Hes going to put that same energy singing Sorry or The General live songs that are like his "babys" so we need to see that first. But ya he is every bit as good now as he was ever.

bumbleslash you are crazy Axl has put out some of his best vocal performances during the 06/07 tour. He can sing it anyway he wants to and changes it up which is his thing. Theres nothing wrong with his voice as the tour went on he got amazing you know why? cause he had not actually toured in 12 years. ya he had put on a show here and there but was never on the road and touring for allthat time. The next tour Axl puts on will be his best.

[gunsmithaero]

He sang way better when he was 25, his voice now is kind of annoying, especially when he does those high pitched helium screams, it just sounds horrible and dated, not just live but in the studio as well. He should limit the high pitch to a minimum to keep the axl "signature sound" and just sing on his lower register like he does in the beginning of song 2 or on dust in the wind/it's alright. Just my opinion

[bumbleslash]

Simple Axl isnt as hostile and crazy on stage anymore so his singing will never be that raw. But he still sounds just as good as ever. The range he has now is out of this world, He has broadened his vocal range greatly and I dont think anyone can go as high as he can as fast as he can. So you can really judge either way. Also we have yet to see him put on a full set from Chinese Democracy. Hes going to put that same energy singing Sorry or The General live songs that are like his "babys" so we need to see that first. But ya he is every bit as good now as he was ever.

bumbleslash you are crazy Axl has put out some of his best vocal performances during the 06/07 tour. He can sing it anyway he wants to and changes it up which is his thing. Theres nothing wrong with his voice as the tour went on he got amazing you know why? cause he had not actually toured in 12 years. ya he had put on a show here and there but was never on the road and touring for allthat time. The next tour Axl puts on will be his best.

i like the 06/7 live axl more then any other axl. but you can't deny facts. he was better during the UYI years, that was his prime. and for whoever made that fat comparison to elvis, where you even a fan in 01? axl was frickin ripped and sounded all over the place (in a bad way). some shows on the 02 tour he sounded good yes. but now hes defintly using something to control his voice. if he isn't then hes a fucking idiot. the man is one of the richest most experienced entertainers in the world. if he didn't have pitch control and all that other stuff then it would be quite un-professional. some of you must be related to baz because you all just assume axl has this amazing voice that has been rekindled in recent memory and has no relation what so ever to the 01/2 axl. in my own opinion i would rather listen to the 06/7 axl's voice i do agree some of his better performances have come during these tours, but his is obviously "aided" by some "technology".

[shotgunbluesXXX]

i like the 06/7 live axl more then any other axl. but you can't deny facts. he was better during the UYI years, that was his prime. and for whoever made that fat comparison to elvis, where you even a fan in 01? axl was frickin ripped and sounded all over the place (in a bad way). some shows on the 02 tour he sounded good yes. but now hes defintly using something to control his voice. if he isn't then hes a fucking idiot. the man is one of the richest most experienced entertainers in the world. if he didn't have pitch control and all that other stuff then it would be quite un-professional. some of you must be related to baz because you all just assume axl has this amazing voice that has been rekindled in recent memory and has no relation what so ever to the 01/2 axl. in my own opinion i would rather listen to the 06/7 axl's voice i do agree some of his better performances have come during these tours, but his is obviously "aided" by some "technology".

Everyone performing in front of crowds the size GnR plays uses something to enhance their voice

He was using the same stuff back in 2002.  He was gone for a long time, and there are two very simple explanations for why he sounded better in 2006/2007, he either spent a lot more time doing preparing his vocals to tour, or he had some sort of surgery on his vocal chords, or both

The rasp in his voice has nothing to do with the technology though, and that is the main difference between his 02 and 06/07 performances, that and he seemed to be in better shape i.e. he did not get as winded

His vocals on Baz's albums that were recorded in 10 hours sound better than they do on most of the demos aside from Better (which seems to have newer vocals) and The Blues.  And the same "studio magic" tricks that exist now existed back then.  Obviously he has done something to improve his voice from the state it was in 6-8 years ago outside of just using technology

[AndAndew]

Heres Axl doing Used to love her on the spot at 45 years old, with a band that runs around not knowing what to do the whole time besides Izzy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4HDerVjLN8&feature=related

(listen to it all the way through its obvious he can do whatever he wants, I think he has moved on a lot from a lot of those songs and his 110 percent passion is for Chinese Democracy and will perform those songs better then anything hes ever done)

Axls performances are going to be different theres no way around it. 12 years passed, and hes not with the the original Guns N Roses AKA "The most dangerous band in the world" So putting on a show is much different and the energy of a whole new band each member  with his own unique tweak for Chinese Democracy playing old gnr songs. And Axl singing and makeing a statement with lyrics he wrote with other people.

We should wait until we see him put on an entire tour with an entire Chinese Democracy set before we tally the last vote.


Axl already conquered the world and kicked its ass, GnR fell apart but it has stayed alive all this time with Axl Rose as sole original member, Even without a release in 14 years Guns N Roses bow to Noone and are on the verge of putting out whats beneath the surface of Guns N Roses , The force that has drove countless musicians to participate in one mans vision. Chinese Democracy and when we see this version of Guns N Roses put on a Chinese Democracy Rock N Roll show my bet is its going to rival anything ever done.

[bumbleslash]

Heres Axl doing Used to love her on the spot at 45 years old, with a band that runs around not knowing what to do the whole time besides Izzy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4HDerVjLN8&feature=related (listen to it all the way through its obvious he can do whatever he wants, I think he has moved on a lot from a lot of those songs and his 110 percent passion is for Chinese Democracy and will perform those songs better then anything hes ever done)

Axls performances are going to be different theres no way around it. 12 years passed, and hes not with the the original Guns N Roses AKA "The most dangerous band in the world" So putting on a show is much different and the energy of a whole new band each member  with his own unique tweak for Chinese Democracy playing old gnr songs. And Axl singing and makeing a statement with lyrics he wrote with other people.

We should wait until we see him put on an entire tour with an entire Chinese Democracy set before we tally the last vote.


Axl already conquered the world and kicked its ass, GnR fell apart but it has stayed alive all this time with Axl Rose as sole original member, Even without a release in 14 years Guns N Roses bow to Noone and are on the verge of putting out whats beneath the surface of Guns N Roses , The force that has drove countless musicians to participate in one mans vision. Chinese Democracy and when we see this version of Guns N Roses put on a Chinese Democracy Rock N Roll show my bet is its going to rival anything ever done.

this has nothing to do with what me and shotgun blues were debating :S and nothing to do with this thread. you should go away

[mooney]

like shotgun blues said, how does pitch control have anything to do with rasp?

thats the only difference between 02 and 06. rasp. as far as im aware (granted i know little on the subject of pitch control) it has nothing to do with rasp!

[bumbleslash]

i don't believe i ever said the word rasp :S but i believe we've reached a common ground, something happened for his voice to sound different in 06/7, surgery or technology or something..maybe he did practice more.

[cafcnickdugay]

Axl had the rasp back in 2002, he just didnt use it. It is evident in the scream during LALD.

[AndAndew]

I dont give a fuck what you two cock suckers were talking about. This thread is about Axls voice and I made a post with my opinion (Which has nothing to do with anything you say) You dont like what I have to say dont read it? To think that you and someone elses debate is fueling everyones opinion on Axl's Voice or what they should say about it is as closed-minded and gay as you.