Chinese Democracy sounding dated??

[misterbrownstone]

I'm talking about Shackler's: the hard rock rhythm in the choruses and the riffs in it, Ron's guitar following Axl's vocals in the verses, some of Brain's drumming, Axl's vocals and Ron's bends over the tapping in the end.

I'll answer your other post with a soon to be posted interview.

the chorus is waaaay too poppy to sound like GN'R, there wasn't tapping in old GN'R and Brain poops all over every other GN'R drummer.

[Bruno Poeys]

the chorus is waaaay too poppy to sound like GN'R, there wasn't tapping in old GN'R and Brain poops all over every other GN'R drummer.

Sweet Child is as poppy as several Bon Jovi songs, lol. Axl's vocals in the verses sound like his old vocals.
I'm not talking about the tapping - the bends over it sound like old GnR - i'm talking about the last lick...

[the_relic]

Too bad if it sounds dated.

You suckers.

Anyways, I love it and all my friends seem to love it.



If I tell them it's a bad other than GN'R...

Then they put on their "I Know A Lot About Music So I'm Great" caps when I do tell them

"Axls this, Axl's that"

Then I tell them, You liked it though.

Then they tell me, I don't like it so much at all.

Then I tell them, OK.

[misterbrownstone]

jeezus i'm not saying it's bad, but it doesn't soudn fresh.

[ErEr]

I think CitR has the old sound too..! (twat, maddy) And even silkworms is like My world! 

[Jordan123]

And even silkworms is like My world! 

How?

[Bruno Poeys]

first argument:
All songs on chinese democracy sound like they are from different times.. 60's 70's 80's 90's etc.. thats what makes it so great... some songs have a bunch of dates in them.. fuck all these haters cause gnr is not coming out with a record like ac/dc and metallica where every fuckin song sounds the same.. same fuckin sounds on all the instruments.. i like those bands but cmon, lets give credit where credits due.. look at the Beatles.. they never stayed the same they are music masters!! Axl's a fuckin genius!
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they all sound like late 90s to me, aside the ballad songs.  i'm hardly a 'hater', i have a good 10,000+ posts here.  i'm just not sucking Axl's nuts and making myself believe that the songs are innovative in the way Appetite was.  and Metallica's albums like all sound different, someone clearly never listens to them.  Kill is all thrash, the next 3 get more and more progressive, Black is mainstream, Load/ReLoad experiment with alternative and Southern rock (oh ho!  just like how Axl experiments with industrial...both of which are to no avail!) and then St. Anger is another failed attempt to stay with the times (nu metal) and then when Metallica goes back to their roots...you get something good.  The Beatles have 2 distinct periods.  the pre-drug pop and the post-drug psychedelia.  i hate anything The Beatles did before Rubber Soul.

second argument:
NO IT DOESNT!!!!!!! Shacklers has a very up to date sound. From the vocals to the crazy solo all up to date, top notch fresh music.  The only leak that sounds dated is Cacther.
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the majority of current rock is now leaning towards minimalism and is mostly indie, thus having a less polished sound (see The Shins, newer NIN, Boris, Franz Ferdinand, Sufjan Stevens, etc.) .  at least that's the stuff that's good.  Shackler's is an overproduced pseudoindustrial clusterfuck.  Catcher is one of the few songs that is good, because it has a timeless vibe.  Shackler's is limited to the mid/late 90s industrial movement, where as Catcher embraces a whole 60s-70s hard rock feel that you can't say 'oh, this sounds like this'.  and then there's Pitman's cool breakdown that says 'oh yea, techno is cool too'.

third argument:
Several GnR songs sounded like 70's Hard Rock. We still loved those songs.
Imo Shackler's doesn't sound like NIN or any other 90's industrial/new metal bands - not the chorus, the solo and the outro at least.
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that was GN'R's sound.  an homage to Aerosmith and The Stones BUT they also took it further and took the shitty 80s hair metal/sleaze scene and touched it up and made it...*GASP*real.  it was a new sound and it was their sound. this whole new GN'R thing, where the lyrics are real, the sound is forced and isn't what GN'R was ever about.  when i think GN'R, i think Jungle, Get in the Ring, One in a Million, November Rain and other great songs (okay, Get in the Ring sucks, but the whole 'fuck you' attitude is what matters).

so the elephant sounds, wah-wah sorta thing before the verse, uber detuned guitars, pre-Bumblefoot solo breakdown don't sound industrial/nu metal to you?  okay, well let's look at say Rhiad, Silkworms, Oh My God, Better or some other song.  jeezus.  and let's not forget the trip hop drums (which actually really really kick ass) in There Was a Time, Better and #2.

fourth argument:
It sounds nothing like NIN except for the pre-chorus/hook, and only because of the disco style rhythm section
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see above.


now look, i'm not trying to be a hater, and personally i think the majority of the new songs are pretty good, but to not call this album dated is to say that Pam Anderson never got a boob job.

Did you read any review of the song yet?

That stuff will warp your brain, haha. Music is personal, different for everyone who hears it. Some will love the song, others won't, some are too biased to be objective. There will be people that feel like the name of a band should have one set definition of what the music should sound like. I don't agree. I'm a Beatles fan. What I love about the Beatles is how much they grew and evolved - if you listen to I Wanna Hold Your Hand, then listen to I Dig A Pony, you'd never know it was the same band. I'm sure some of the fans they had when the band were just kids singin' British doo-wop rock in '62 weren't all up for the ride as the band became loud blues rock guys with their faces buried behind beards. The same with Guns, the band changed over time, and the sound changed, and it will inevitably keep on changin'. 50 years from now, I hope people will look back and appreciate the changes, see it as a life span, and understand more about the events and the statements made in the music. Right now we're all part of the moment. There's no distance from it, to give us perspective. I'd like to read the reviews that will be written in 50 years, those are the ones I want to see.

http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/forum/guns_n_roses_side_projects/an_upcomming_bfoot_interview-t38022.0.html

[thatguy]

All I have to say is great rock and roll is never 'dated'. So, I guess the question is, would you consider what we have heard from the new gnr great rock and roll?????????????
FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!