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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2008, 03:32:58 PM »
From dumb Obama supporters, to dumb Mcain supporters....

Just because your winning don't mean your the lucky one.

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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2008, 03:37:49 PM »

And what exactly are Iran doing that you think you should stop talking to them and go after them instead? 

The Icon Says: Making nukes that could land in terrorist hands.

There are a lot of regimes out there doing far more evil things to their own people than the Iranians do, I mean they have universal suffrage out there for starters, they even have freedom of religious worship (apart from the Kurds for some reason, but then no-one seems to like the Kurds, they're being persecuted in every country where they have a substantial minority population, it's one of the great human rights tragedies of the past century but no-one gives a shit, again I'm not really sure why, the same way no-one seems to give a shit about the North Koreans, the Burmese, the Sudanese, the Zimbabweans, the Taiwanese, I could go on here y'know). 

The Icon Says: I asked some other dude this but maybe you can explain. By your ideals, we should be able to talk any of these countries into peace and love. Does this diplomacy you and Obama preach work or...

 You've talked blood out of Iran's ears for nothing for years because at the end of the day they haven't actually done anything. 

The Icon Says: See Hitler or WWII

And why is it that every country that doesn't worship the American way of life is a threat, you're a country, not the police of the world.  If Putin and Chavez don't like America so be it, what does it matter to you? 

The Icon Says: I could care less if anyone worships America. I think every country has things that makes them great. I just love my own being that I was born here. Now these guys hate the shit out of America because we try to promote people having freedom which is something they love to oppress. Russia doing military business that close to home bothers me. But thats just me.

 They're not going to do anything about it.  They can't, they know that and they're not stupid.  If they attack America they get fucked, everyone knows that and no-one's dumb enough to try it as a result.  Your country is pretty much invincible unless China decide they don't like you anymore so I don't really see why you want the rest of the world to bow down at the altar.

The Icon Says: Well, it makes me happy that you think we're so strong  :shy: but any attack on Americans is something I'd hate to see. Whether an invasion or a few missiles that take a few thousand people out would be a stab in the heart for us.

Stop being a fucktard.  If you want to be a racist and a homophobe do it somewhere else.  You can actually argue your point fairly well sometimes until you start behaving like a bigot and saying 'I's just being honest, yo.' doesn't give you carte blanche to start talking like Jorge Haider.  Grow up.

The Icon Says: I was listening to the song and it just flowed. Like I'm sure it did for Axl on paper. I don't mind immigrants at all, but I'd like it if they at least tried to learn the language instead of coming here to have kids and collect welfare. Hard working immagrants I love. Like in the Godfather movie, the first thing the dude says is "I love America".

Unless you're one of the 0.04% of the population of your country who actually is a Native American then you're one of those immigrants, I didn't realise the whole land of the free, give me your poor and huddled masses thing only applied if you got in early enough.


This country is getting flooded with people from all over who think the American Dream is a free life. Back then you came here to escape oppression and work for your dreams to come true and to have freedom. I think its about time to draw a really solid line and reform immigration laws. Thats another subject though I know.

All in all, I respect your post but don't get the passive logic a lot of you fly with. I'd love to hear your answers about the diplomacy thing.

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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2008, 03:47:55 PM »

yet again, action and reaction they didn't randomly decide they hate you it's all inspired by American interests conflicting with the rights of the middle east followed by a propaganda storm of both sides distorting both evils.


America and "Western" countries promote freedom and people making their own choices for government. Freedoms which clash with their whatever thousand year old religion. They call it a jihad. Its religious. How could you ignore that? Even when they give speeches (Osama even) all glory and praise, and all things are done in the name of Allah.

Next.. try answering some of the questions I asked, maybe we'll get somewhere with trying to understand each other.

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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2008, 04:46:29 PM »
Its great  how you people want Obama to win, when thats not even his real name, and he doenst have a  birth Certificate. How awesome is that???


yes

he

does
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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2008, 05:15:55 PM »
America and "Western" countries promote freedom and people making their own choices for government. Freedoms which clash with their whatever thousand year old religion. They call it a jihad. Its religious. How could you ignore that? Even when they give speeches (Osama even) all glory and praise, and all things are done in the name of Allah.

Next.. try answering some of the questions I asked, maybe we'll get somewhere with trying to understand each other.

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My friend, there's alot of example where United Stated interfere with other countries freedom and their capacity of making their own choices for government. When they support a dictator, Pinochet, instead of letting Allende run his country freely, afterall it was a democratic choice to elect Salvador Allende, why did they promote freedom by letting Pinochet ruled the country ? They're other examples where USA interfere and was aiming for personnal gain instead of their so claim desire to defend democracy anf freedom. Why don't they intervene (as well as the rest of the world) in Darfour ? Cause it's not profitable, there's no point of interest for American to help the people there. So when you're talking about Western claiming of freedom and democracy, take it with a pinch of salt.

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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #75 on: October 14, 2008, 05:47:17 PM »
Exactly!!  That goes for both sides, unfortunatly alot of the votes either for Mcain or Obama are gonna be made by stupid ill informed people. 


Ah right, I didn't know where you were coming from when posting that, I thought it may have been intended as some sort of criticism of Obama and for some people around here that would pass as a logical argument - not that I'm opposed to criticisms of him either. I find neither candidate too appealing, I'd just rather see Obama win because the prospect of Sarah Palin becoming president in the event of McCain's death scares the shit out of me.

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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #76 on: October 14, 2008, 06:01:22 PM »
Ah right, I didn't know where you were coming from when posting that, I thought it may have been intended as some sort of criticism of Obama and for some people around here that would pass as a logical argument - not that I'm opposed to criticisms of him either. I find neither candidate too appealing, I'd just rather see Obama win because the prospect of Sarah Palin becoming president in the event of McCain's death scares the shit out of me.




Great one  :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2008, 03:30:15 PM »
Ah right, I didn't know where you were coming from when posting that, I thought it may have been intended as some sort of criticism of Obama and for some people around here that would pass as a logical argument - not that I'm opposed to criticisms of him either. I find neither candidate too appealing, I'd just rather see Obama win because the prospect of Sarah Palin becoming president in the event of McCain's death scares the shit out of me.




I am not saying who I am supporting, i'm just stating that alot of people will make decisions based on race, or gender, or for other reasons that have nothing to do with a canidates agendas.  There are alot of ignorant people in the world i was just showcasing two examples. 

People for Obama:


People for Mcain:


You get my point????
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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #78 on: October 15, 2008, 04:46:49 PM »
Yeah I understood you weren't attacking any candidate and I agree completely that it is unfortunate that people who know nothing about a candidate's policies will vote simply on appearances etc.
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Re: 2nd Debate goes to Obama 2-0
« Reply #79 on: October 15, 2008, 10:26:39 PM »
3rd debate goes to McCain 3-0.  :)

 



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