The songs dont allow the drummers to showcase their talents. Weve all heard songs where the drums are amazing and take songs further...Not a big pumpkins fan, but Jimmy Chamberlin can do so much within a simple structure of a song...The drums rock hard on some of CD. Does everyone remember when Axl asked Zutaut to get the Nirvana drumming sound down from Nevermind? I thought I recognized it in IRS, right before axls scream towards the end, and on RATB. Could be wrong tho