Abortion - Is it really the womans right to choose?

[2NaFish]

no. I was thinking that must have been the impression that you are under, as you are the one who uses the laws to support your theory.

what? no i didnt.

i'm not going to repeat my views on why i'm in favour of abortion; if you want that you can read this thread again. This debate grew out of you saying i give too many reasons for my conclusions and gave objective independent sources and that i should be ashamed that i wasnt giving way to a person's right to simply feel rather than engaging their brain. How can i go from providing too many reasons for my views to having never stated my position? Explain that, cos i cant get my head round it.

You do realise that this is about as stupid as it gets,

"You provide too many reasons for your conclusions. Its OK to simply feel stuff."

to

"You have never stated your conclusions. Provide reasons"

Thats where you've gone with this. Unreal.

[LostInTheGarden]

no that isn't the case. If you go back and read the thread you'll see our origiinal "desagreement" was when I called you on talking down to everyone and how you try to make everyone else feel stupid. then, yes, I brought up how everything isn't cut and dry logic, and that your independent sources (although to this point you have failed miserably to cite even one such source on the abortion issue despite my numerous requests) basically amounted to someone elses documented, recycled perception of reality in the first place. even that is going a bit far as i said you can't seem to come up with any source you'd like to share with me. Despite all that my comments to begin with were more about you and your habit of behaving this way in every thread, not specifically this one. now on the other hand, more recently when I said you haven't even clearly stated your position or reasoning for said opinion, I was talking about specifically the issue of abortion. If you read the thread again yourself I think it's clear that is the way the conversation evolved. Disagree with me all you want or think whatever you want of  me, but I wasn't using any sort of circular reasoning as you so accused me.

as far as you using laws to support your theories, since you really have yet to explain your position other than  "I use logic" or "science is involved here" or twisting my words to divert attention from the issue then my only assumption is that your only reasoning is simple because "that's the way it is". a fact of which I am well aware


edit: okay don't get me wrong you did have that nice little animal comparison about the nervous system, and repeatedly said a fetus is  not a human. the question is why shouldn't it be considered one? you don't have an answer other than the law says up to this point.

[2NaFish]

no that isn't the case. If you go back and read the thread you'll see our origiinal "desagreement" was when I called you on talking down to everyone and how you try to make everyone else feel stupid.

cant be arsed reading back, i'll take your word. if i come across as condescending, then i apologize. people very often use frivilous and demeaning arguments to answer what are important questions. certain people dismiss any attempt to make a reasonable point as little more than an academic wank session and prefer to base their views on appeals to emotion and rebuke any doubt of their god given right to an unquestioned opinion as scary book learning. Not that this justifies making, most, people feel stupid; just that this is how it oftens plays out.

since you ask so nicely. if i think it through, i couldnt personally condone an abortion ethically after the foetus had attained a level of consciousness; untill there is anything to push that back farther, that would have to coincide with the central nervous system.

[LostInTheGarden]

L.  O.   L.

I'm picking up on the sarcasm.

Either way I'm high and going out for the evening. 

opiates make me adventerous.

[2NaFish]

eh, there wasnt any sarcasm.

this is why i stay away from being genuine.

[LostInTheGarden]

im back. nothin goin on in this shithole town.

Anyways if you're bein sincer then I am sorry . I'll accept your apology on behalf of everyone else lol. I certainly don't harbour any ill feelings towards you bro I hope ya know that. It may have come off like i didn't care for you at some points in this thread but that's not the case I think you seem like a pretty cool and geniune kind of guy overall, just a little irritating at times hehe

rock on

[Bonnie]

OK guys.... whip em out and lay em on the table whomever has the biggest one wins *evil grin*

[aintitfun22]

^ you know that relatively large mountain in tibet? yeah well um thats mine...........its kinda hard to place it on a table, its a little too big.

[Sean]

moving from polls.  Since now polls section will disappear like a ghost. good topic. moving to green room

[Axsalute]

No! and liberals are sick and disturbed for supporting it..What pisses me off  is how the guy gets fucked
over.. he has no rights !  Liberals see humans as the "problem".  Human life along with all life is amazing! Just look around at the peopleyou know and what a difference they make in the world and your life.  Shit,  Could you imagine this world without Axl??  Ahh didn't think so

[2NaFish]

Liberals see humans as the "problem".

Is that so?

[ben vercetti]

Every human being has got to have the right to decide what happens to the hull of aforementioned being.
Apart from that I don't care. Neither for the people who believe we're made of clay n' ribs nor for any bulkheads who preach that human life is holy just for being praised by their voters and business entourage. Cheers

[Axsalute]

Liberals see humans as the "problem".

Is that so?

Yes the elite scumbag solution to the world  problems would be genocide of the undesirables in their eyes; black mostly.  Abortion is the answer to what some consider a problem.  No this world is no where
near perfection yet, but killing babies in the womb is wrong; especially when there is protection out there; not to mention adoption.. I once knew this girl who had her second abortion (ironically she got knocked up by some guy she met at a GnR show we went to.)  WOW, I just remembered that.  anyway
she was an aerobic instructor and didn't want to get fat..SICK.. she was my roommate, I told her I would
raise her baby and I would have.  She did it anyway.. PURE SELFISHINESS.. on the individual side and
pure Evil on the political/societal side.   Prochoice people... WTF..  "WAHH A woman has a right to choose
what to do with her body... "How about women celebrating and embracing what their body can do and
the beauty of LOVING A CHILD.

[2NaFish]

edit. i dont give a shit.