Hows Obama doin in office so far?

[Bigphil1]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1gMsLdVCu0[/youtube]
 

~S~

I genuinely believe he's an actor, and he's making money by making these videos and getting traffic to his site.

I agree with Nemo, obviously all the worlds problems aren't going to be fixed in under 6 months but the guy got his priorities right. Economy/Car industry, Middle East, Guantanamo Bay.

[PurpleHaze]

So 180 degree turns in policy direction aren't change enough for you?

Perhaps you'd like to inform us what the fuck you think change is, because your idea of what it is doesn't seem to fit any known definition.

[White-Rider]

good job, but me is biased ... lol ... so count me out again.

[UcudBmine]

Still waiting for change.

~S~

What are we at now; about 70 days?

Let's see, it looks like your economy might be starting to level itself off and think about a recovery, your automobile industry has been saved from almost certain death, you're no longer torturing people or holding people without charge, you've admitted that man made global warming isn't a fairy tale, you've allowed scientists to actually do their work instead of letting the church censor them, you're making moves towards diplomatic exchanges for the first time in generations with Iran and Cuba, your troops are gonna start leaving Iraq, you're making good progress in halting the resurgency of the Taliban in the Afghan/Pakistan border region, you're riding the crest of a worldwide wave of goodwill directed toward your new President.

I hear the rapture's scheduled for next week, maybe that'll impress you...

OWNED

[Iconic Shawn]

What are we at now; about 70 days?

Let's see, it looks like your economy might be starting to level itself off and think about a recovery, your automobile industry has been saved from almost certain death, you're no longer torturing people or holding people without charge, you've admitted that man made global warming isn't a fairy tale, you've allowed scientists to actually do their work instead of letting the church censor them, you're making moves towards diplomatic exchanges for the first time in generations with Iran and Cuba, your troops are gonna start leaving Iraq, you're making good progress in halting the resurgency of the Taliban in the Afghan/Pakistan border region, you're riding the crest of a worldwide wave of goodwill directed toward your new President.

I hear the rapture's scheduled for next week, maybe that'll impress you...

Lets see..
"your economy might be starting to level itself off and think about a recovery"
That was going to happen regardless. That and it was the governments fault in WHOLE that this mess happened. These big suits over at AIG or pick and choose the company.. who do they rub elbows with? Who do they donate to to get business favors or less restrictions? And exactly has Obama done to turn the economy around? Give these people OUR fucking money.  Real simple solution for an idiot like him. PRINT MORE MONEY! Just like the poor.

"your automobile industry has been saved from almost certain death"
Its not the governments responsibility to ensure a private company doesn't go out of business. I'm sure thousands of other American businesses went down over the past ten years and where was their bailout? Again, these car makers have no shame. They fucked up in not looking towards the future with their product. It is NOT the American tax payers responsibility to pay these guys BILLIONS of OUR TAX DOLLARS to keep them in business. And what did GM get for taking the cash? The government now has a visible and BIG hand in their business. They also continue to close plants here.

I would have rathered those companies sink and we give Toyota the fucking money to open new plants here for American people. They know how to do business.


"you're no longer torturing people or holding people without charge"
Cool. So we'll no longer get any leads on terrorist activities and ways which have helped prevent numerous terrorist attacks in the states. The world will now see us a a nice country and will smile at us again in that regard. Nevermind what they do to people in China, and never mind what they do to OUR or YOUR troops should they get caught. We're setting a great example for.. wait.. for who? Cause who's following?

"you've admitted that man made global warming isn't a fairy tale"
~yawn~ Just keep spending all that "go green" cash.


"you've allowed scientists to actually do their work instead of letting the church censor them" 
This is cool.. till some scientist fucks up. I'm all for letting them work outside of religion but somebody better be watching them.

"you're making moves towards diplomatic exchanges for the first time in generations with Iran and Cuba"
And got zero accomplished. As a matter of fact, Fidel Castro just wrote a letter on his site blasting Obama for thinking that in any way them talking had anything with releasing prisoners or not taxing money that goes to Cubans from Americans. However, we got plenty of photo sessions with plenty of big smiles. HOWEVER, the fucking regular Cubans, Argentinian, etc people having seen SHIT from it. Us shaking hands and smiling with these people just for the camera and getting nothing done for the people there makes me fucking sick. And I don't want to hear "talks". We've had "talks". TALK to me when we get results on the ground.

"your troops are gonna start leaving Iraq" (but not for you or Obama)
No shit? You mean we're not going to stay there forever? You mean now that we've liberated those people and given them a fresh start with their country and leaders we can get out? NO SHIT! That was the mission. That was what people like you guys and Obama voted against. WMD or no we did a GREAT thing for that country and its people. As an American I'm proud as fuck that my country lent a strong helping hand to the PEOPLE there.

"you're making good progress in halting the resurgence of the Taliban in the Afghan/Pakistan border region" 
Lies. Pakastan is getting worse and tensions are showing it could be taken over by the Taliban at any time. Pakistan looks hopeless without invasion. When we finally how our troops out of Iraq we'll have the force we need to really take on the problems in Afghanistan. Its going to take a LOT of killing there of terrorist to make a dent though. I'm 100% confident our military can do it if we listen to our top generals out there. I only hope that the Afhan people continue to support us there. They've been an amazing help so far with pushing these guys back and with their help I'm sure we'll turn their country around, much like we did Iraq.

"you're riding the crest of a worldwide wave of goodwill directed toward your new President."
He;s going around saying sorry for this, bowing to that person, shaking hands with that known killer, calling Europeans "world leaders". Basically showing face. Just like he did to win votes. That huge smile. But what does it do for the American people? What does it do for anyone aside these big meeting types and people who like to talk shit about other countries? ZERO. NOTHING. He's spending millions of tax payer money to go shake hands with these people and for NOTHING. Actually.. to get spit at in the face and have these countries see just how much our words mean. Over, and over again. But as long as the good will is there right?

I want results Nemo. Results on the ground, not on paper and on business flow charts. Not bullshit. Thats what I judge my president on, not what he says and hopes (like everyone else does) but on whats fucking DONE.

And UcudBmine.. do yourself a fucking favor and keep out of the big boys conversations if all you have to say is "owned". Have some type of opinion or something of your own. This isn't the jungle. Posts like yours taint this place.

~S~

[Coma_Rose]

This is a neutral post, just out of sheer curiosity.

- Economy
- Automobile Industry
- Torture
- Global Warming
- Stem Cell Research
- Iran & Cuba
- Troops & Iraq
- Taliban

Iconic Shawn, what would YOU have seen as acceptable change?
At the moment, for all I know, you didn't want change, and were happy with the Bush administration.
Could you please, to satisfy my curiosity, address each of these points with what YOU would have seen as 'change'.

[nemo]

I want results Nemo. Results on the ground, not on paper and on business flow charts. Not bullshit. Thats what I judge my president on, not what he says and hopes (like everyone else does) but on whats fucking DONE.

No you don't.  Where you accept that the economy is starting to turn around you say 'it was going to happen anyway.' and that his method of dealing with it was stupid.  Where you accept that American jobs were saved in the auto industry you say he should have let them fail. 

Do you know what the dictionary definition of fascism is?  Here's a hint, this is about as close as it gets...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8009571.stm

But you think a 100% u-turn on that is a bad idea (I find a libertarian supporting fascism quite odd, but hey, never mind)

What you want is another 4 years of what you'd got used to for the past 8, unfortunately that's not really what change is.

[Iconic Shawn]

No you don't.  Where you accept that the economy is starting to turn around you say 'it was going to happen anyway.' and that his method of dealing with it was stupid.  Where you accept that American jobs were saved in the auto industry you say he should have let them fail. 

Do you know what the dictionary definition of fascism is?  Here's a hint, this is about as close as it gets...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8009571.stm

But you think a 100% u-turn on that is a bad idea (I find a libertarian supporting fascism quite odd, but hey, never mind)

What you want is another 4 years of what you'd got used to for the past 8, unfortunately that's not really what change is.

The economy was going to turn around regardless. It also wasn't the economy, but instead these big government friendly companies that fucked everything up. His solution is retarded because all he did was print cash (a lot of which was "lost"). When I say "the economy was going to turn around" thats exactly what it means. What did you think was going to happen without Obama? Were we going to become a 3rd world country over here? Get serious.

I never said American jobs were saved with the auto industry. If anything.. more and more American jobs are being lost REGARDLESS of how much cash we throw at them. They are inefficient companies. Its simple business. GM is going to be closing their factories for the summer it looks like. Where does it show that Obama giving them a shit load of OUR money is doing anything? Its bad business. Save American jobs? Are you kidding me? More American jobs get lost there every week it seems. Get Serious.

Then you throw the word "fascism" in the mix. You show me a link with Mr. Richard Cheney asking the government to release information regarding the positive results we've gotten thanks to our interrogations. Everyones up in arms about how bad it was for these murderers to be interrogated. Someone should show these people the videos of American's jumping out of the windows of those two HUGE buildings we use to have. We should be pulling their teeth out with pliers to get information.

What was your point about fascism though? I don't get it. Give me your simple definition of the word and I'll let you know if I fit the bill.

I don't want another 4 years or 8 years of ANYTHING. Would you people get off that crap already? Left, right, they're both fucked. We American's have got to stop being stupid and stop letting either side of the media blind us to the big pictures.

~S~

[Iconic Shawn]

This is a neutral post, just out of sheer curiosity.

- Economy: [Shawn Say's] Start throwing everyone who's done shady business in jail. Right off the bat. Give them 20 years minimum. That should start slowing and maybe even stop corruption in a few years right off the bat. Corruption is what fucked us over.

Also, stop giving loans to people who can't afford it. Fuck fair or fuck what they think they should have because they live in this country.

- Automobile Industry: [Shawn Say's] I could care less about "American Auto Makers". Its a business. They seem to think that because they're "American Auto Makers" they can fuck around and slack off. I'd let them fail and make good deals with our friends the Japanese to open more of their plants here. American's will have jobs and will be building more efficient cars. The Japanese also take advancing technology very seriously and will probably be our best bet it getting eco friendly cars on the road ASAP. It would also strengthen ties as well as provide a boost for two friendly nations. If anything, let the Japanese buy the rights to those American model cars and make them themselves. As long as those cars are made ONLY in the states. Seriously.. fuck those car companies here. They fail on themselves and its NOT THE TAX PAYERS responsibility to bail them out. Obama however has FORCED us to to the tune of fucking billions.

- Torture: [Shawn Say's] Trial is one thing. I feel everyone we capture should be questioned and put on trial. If they're guilty of fighting alongside terrorist or supporting them in any way then we NEED to be able to interrogate the shit out of these people to get any and all information regarding their ties. Name names. Name routs. Name plans. We should not shed blood though. No burning and shit like that.. but tortures of the mind are just fine with me when it comes to these terrorist. They live off keeping peoples minds in a state of fear.. we're just upping the anti if you will.


- Global Warming: [Shawn Say's] Honestly I don't care too much about global warming. 50% of scientist say its happening, 50% say its not and Al Gore campaigns for it but drives and SUV and takes private jets here and there.

- Stem Cell Research: [Shawn Say's] Go for it. Something inside of me tells me we should not be fucking with embryos or trying to clone humans but thats just me. It saves lives.

- Iran & Cuba: [Shawn Say's] What about them? They oppress their people. We should talk to them and be cool as far as our dialogue but our main purpose with leaders like that who are willing to talk is to try and persuade them to treat their people better and fairly. If thats unacceptable at all (see Cuba, Iran, NKorea and all the others we've tried to talk to), then we respectfully leave the table. Not smile for the camera some more and say "at least we're talking nice". Is this about Obama's image? The American image? OR IS IT ABOUT THE FUCKING PEOPLE BEING OPPRESSED?! Like I said, it makes me SICK to see Obama shake hands and smile with a guy like Chavez and yet accomplish nothing for the people Chavez rules.

- Troops & Iraq: [Shawn Say's] First of all, these people are the ones we should be praising. Not Obama when he makes a speech about moving them here or there. The Troops from ALL of our countries are doing the dirty work and dealing with the actual people down there. I think we should get out of Iraq soon now that they seem to be getting on their feet. I'm not sure if Afghanistan is worth the effort but if we don't go in alone (as a country), I think we can do it. European and other countries of the world need to stop being scared of terrorist fucking with countries and start hitting them REALLY FUCKING HARD. As a world we need to say "no more" to this shit. Just like we said "no more" to slavery and shit.

- Taliban: [Shawn Say's] Same as above I guess. I hear they're just about taking over Pakistan. I saw a show on Chanel 13 where they interview people in Pakistan and show the fear that they live in. They WANT to get rid of the Taliban but can't speak out. Its sad as fuck. I trully think the Pakistani government needs to open its borders to a Global United Military Front and work with us to really stomp these roaches out in their house. Let them work with us, let the rest of the world pitch in with us and I bet you we could calm the Talibans bullshit in under 6 months. AFTER Afghanistan though.

Iconic Shawn, what would YOU have seen as acceptable change?
At the moment, for all I know, you didn't want change, and were happy with the Bush administration.
Could you please, to satisfy my curiosity, address each of these points with what YOU would have seen as 'change'.

Enough with "the Bush Administration". There is no left and right in my mind. Those two things mean shit. There's only RIGHT and WRONG. Black and White.

Anyway, thats what I'd do. THAT would be change. Change from what? Change from the governments doing a shit load of talking and getting SHIT done or getting whatever they get done just by raising taxes on the people and paying for it. 

~S~

[Rocket Queen]

See that's your problem. The world is not black and white.

[Iconic Shawn]

See that's your problem. The world is not black and white.

The world might not be, but the issues above are. I like that approach. It leaves little room for bs arguments. It suits me.
Everyone else can sit down (the UN) and try to come up with shit like they've done forever, but time has shown such efforts to be useless, a waste of time and a waste of billions of tax payer money. My money.

~S~

[Iconic Shawn]

Just solidifying my statement that flashy pictures are just that. It might work for TV land America but Cuba apparently was not swooned by Mr. Obama. I said this before he was elected too.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_us

I hate that this dude is our president and all he really is, is a celebrity with celebrity type thoughts.

~S~

[axl_04]

"you've allowed scientists to actually do their work instead of letting the church censor them" 

This is the greatest thing that Obama has done for my country! Scientists now have the power to give us glow in the dark puppies. People I know have lost their jobs, houses, cars and have nothing to eat. But thanks to Obama instead of feeding our children, we can give them a glow in the fucking dark puppy.

[Bumbles N Roses]

The change I want is a fucking moat around the border, followed by a wall with dedicated machine gunners every 350 yards. The change I want is the use of our heavy weapons in Iraq and Afgan (ie large scale airstrikes) that way our troops entry into cities is softened up.  The change I want is the emphasis on a capitalist society.  The change I want is American cars powered by American oil.  The change I want is banks that do not deal sub prime loans.  The change I want is nuclear power in America.  The change I want is allowing our government to get information out of the terrorists by whatever means necessary. The change I want is health care options I can choose, not anything endorsed by the government.  The change I want is for people to remember they live in a republic, not a democracy.  The change I want is for people to realize the prosperity of small gov.

The change I want is not called Barack Obama.  The change I want is not spelled h-o-p-e.  The change I want is already outlined in the constitution.  You should read it sometime.