President Obama's Nowruz message to Iranian people

[©GnrPersia]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVoVUQjkwHg[/youtube]

what do you think?

[Sean]

thats awesome.   and didn't cost anything like lives and money for wars.  US was built from a foundation of compassion for all, get back that for all will make a safer place. 

[rds.06]

I think this is the right approach from Obama.

[Axsalute]

Do you guys really think this is going to do anything...
I mean c'mon.. like Iran is going to stop trying to get a
nuke, just because Obama said they should! 
Obama is scary... How is this approach any different
that Bush's approach?

[Coma_Rose]

Very humble. Which will go a long way towards fixing the image of America as arrogant.

What did he say at the end? Translation, anyone?

[©GnrPersia]

Nowruz (نوروز) = new day

[GunsNR]

Do you guys really think this is going to do anything...
I mean c'mon.. like Iran is going to stop trying to get a
nuke, just because Obama said they should! 
Obama is scary... How is this approach any different
that Bush's approach?

[GGS]

I think it'll go unappreciated because it makes Ahmenwhatever look weak if he accepts it. Which is harsh on the Iranian people cause all they want is peace and to get on with their lives same as the USA people.

Leaders eh who needs them!

[Iconic Shawn]

Well.. Iran responded and basically nothings changed. They still hate us and the "Western Influence" and still paint us as evil and such. Even with Mr. Obama trying to talk.

I don't think there is anything the US can do to prevent Iran from doing whatever it wants with nukes. I feel that the world is going to have to learn the hard way once they do get those nukes that some people, some governments, some leaders, are just bad.

If they blow up Israel..

~S~

[2NaFish]

Well.. Iran responded and basically nothings changed. They still hate us and the "Western Influence" and still paint us as evil and such. Even with Mr. Obama trying to talk.
I don't think there is anything the US can do to prevent Iran from doing whatever it wants with nukes. I feel that the world is going to have to learn the hard way once they do get those nukes that some people, some governments, some leaders, are just bad.

If they blow up Israel..

~S~

you dont find anything hypocritical in saying "they hate us...and paint us as evil" and then go on to talk about how their gonna nuke other countries and are bad pure and simple? bad, as in a synonym for evil.

a- 'they think we're evil!!'

b - 'y'know why that is, don't ya?'

a - 'nope'

b - 'it's cos they're evil.'

a - 'how'd'ya know that?'

b - 'cos they said we were evil.'

Repeat ad naseum.

[Iconic Shawn]

you dont find anything hypocritical in saying "they hate us...and paint us as evil" and then go on to talk about how their gonna nuke other countries and are bad pure and simple? bad, as in a synonym for evil.

a- 'they think we're evil!!'

b - 'y'know why that is, don't ya?'

a - 'nope'

b - 'it's cos they're evil.'

a - 'how'd'ya know that?'

b - 'cos they said we were evil.'

Repeat ad naseum.

I know man.. I had a hard time with typing "evil" describing them too. More like hard headed and really fucking dangerous.

The fact that they support nuking Israel is what I'm basing the "evil" thing on. Woundn't you consider it bad to bomb a country you're not even at war with just because of racism and religious nonsense?

Bad wording by me but I hope you get the point.

The main thing is that words don't work with these people. I'm not saying lets go to war right now.. but I have a strong feeling that if nothing gets done, we'll be in WWIII in about 10 years and thats fucking scary. Especially when nukes are involved.

~S~

[2NaFish]

i'm not saying that they're not evil. but the whole "www3" + nukes argument has been done for evey single nation that america has had a problem with for the last 50 years.

[Coma_Rose]

I don't understand criticism of Obama over this. Diplomacy should always be the first thing tried.

[Sean]

I don't understand criticism of Obama over this. Diplomacy should always be the first thing tried.

says common sense .... but people with a low IQ are just like glue

[nemo]

I know man.. I had a hard time with typing "evil" describing them too. More like hard headed and really fucking dangerous.

The fact that they support nuking Israel is what I'm basing the "evil" thing on. Woundn't you consider it bad to bomb a country you're not even at war with just because of racism and religious nonsense?

Here comes the bit where we ask for sources on this again...We all know their president is a complete nut job, a holocaust denier, a hater of all things zionist and most things western, but never have they called for the destruction of Israel.  Their supreme leader, who actually holds all the power after all, has issued a fatwa saying nuclear weapons go against the principles of Islam (not that this necessarily means they'll stick to that pronunciation of course, but nor does it mean that they're actively hoping to annihilate another country), both him and Ahmadinejad say they have no plans ever to attack Israel because they believe the state will eventually collapse on its own without the need for intervention from the Iranian people.  The one statement used to justify this position over and over again is the translation of a speech by president Ahmadinejad which quoted him as saying Israel should be wiped from the map.  Now this phrase doesn't actually exist in Farsi and apparently the closest literal translation of what he said was along the lines of him wanting the regime occupying Israel to be erased from the pages of time, i.e. the collapse of what he sees as an illegal occupying zionist regime.

I agree 100% that Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons and that if they were ever to try to blow the shit out of Israel they'd have to know that we'd take action against them to prevent that.  I do think that it's scaremongering designed to fan the flames of your own argument however to state categorically that this is what they're trying to do.

Like I said I can provide a list of quotes from the 2 most powerful people in the Iranian government saying they don't intend ever to attack Israel, can you find me a quote from either of them saying the opposite?

[Sean]

I don't do sources...  its just shady fucky shady

.. oh and Shifty fucky shady just for the sake of arguement ok?

[GGS]

The problem is no other 'insert relevance here' group that wanted nukes 9/11'd the most powerful country on earth at the time.

The Russians would of given them nukes, the Pakistanis would of given them nukes a long time ago as two examples off the top of my head if they could be trusted.

Even the height of the Cold War Cuban Missle Crisis the Russians and USA where on the phone to each other constantly, then you get this Iranian geezer brushing the USA off constantly with a bad attitude even when they no they fucked up and want to put things right.

All the current nuke holders at least think logically, Even Pakistan had that General Mustaffa dude until recently.

Hell Saudi would of had nukes years ago if they wanted them but they don't.

Cause you just can't trust Islamic extremists at all, and they are everywhere in every muslim society, as the Pakistani's have been learning the hard way recently.

The innocent muslim people get blown up by fellow crazy muslims on a day to day basis. If a nuke got into one these groups hands then gameover.

The Iranian people are stuck with their bullshit dictator and his corrupt government trying to stay in power anyway they can while desperately lingering on the success of the Shah's macinations he set in place 30+ years ago.

Muslim or not, no 'ordinary' person wants to see any country nuked, But whackjobs who are desperate to stay in power and extremists and fundies who want power. Damn new can of worms. Not a risk anyone should be willingly to take until the Islamic world starts sorting it's self out and wake up to reality like every other society had too.

I'd bet if Israel was nuked it would be game over for the Middle East, That's what these loony toons don't understand, God aint gonna save you if Israel is nuked, I'd put money on if they are nuked then they're gonna scorch earth the rest of the mofo's in the ME and just launch as many nukes as it can on Iran, Saudi, Egypt, Syria every country near it or can be reached by it's nukes it can before everyone dies of rad poision etc. etc.

I get the impresson the Jews are not people you want to piss off, so nuking them will not end well for any holy warrior or his race when they get double the payload back and turned into glass.

[chezequerz]

I don't do sources...  its just shady fucky shady

.. oh and Shifty fucky shady just for the sake of arguement ok?

yeah fuck proof

[Iconic Shawn]

Sorry for not going and doing internet research for you guys as if this shit was school or something.

We're here discussing shit no? If I say something thats wrong, then you just do what Nemo did and explain whats right. Its not a contest in here. At least I don't see it as one.

Nemo, you said all that stuff and spun it around like Iran is sweet as hell. I wonder if even YOU believe what they say about not wanting nukes.

I say to you people then that we should totally butt out of Irans business. You guys defend them to the T so maybe I'm (and those who are as suspicious of them as me) wrong. We should just let them go on with their nuclear programs with out restricting them and see what happens when they finally get those missiles that can reach Israel and beyond.

Nothing to worry about anyway right?

~S~

[GGS]

Nothing to worry about anyway right?

Well they'll get turned into glass by the jews and zionists so either way it's like  . Maybe they'll both wipe each other out or something as well.

I mean it'll be hard to talk about (whatever side anyone is on) something that no longer exists lol. We'll all have to move onto something else to talk about.

[nemo]

Sorry for not going and doing internet research for you guys as if this shit was school or something.

We're here discussing shit no? If I say something thats wrong, then you just do what Nemo did and explain whats right. Its not a contest in here. At least I don't see it as one.

Nemo, you said all that stuff and spun it around like Iran is sweet as hell. I wonder if even YOU believe what they say about not wanting nukes.

I say to you people then that we should totally butt out of Irans business. You guys defend them to the T so maybe I'm (and those who are as suspicious of them as me) wrong. We should just let them go on with their nuclear programs with out restricting them and see what happens when they finally get those missiles that can reach Israel and beyond.

Nothing to worry about anyway right?

~S~

Nah, I said I don't trust the guy who claims they've no intention of producing them, I also said under no circumstances should they be allowed to have them, I just want people to actually know the truth rather than saying 'fuck Iran because they're determined to wipe Israel off the map' because that's not actually true.  They don't like Israel, they don't recognise the authority of the Israeli government, they don't seem to particularly like Jews in general (although their constitution does guarantee that the minority Iranian jewish population (who are free to practice their own religion without threat it should be said) are represented in Parliament) they will tell you themselves that they are anti zionist but not univerally anti-semitic, nor have they made any claims about wanting to start World War 3 in the Middle East, in fact they've been quite vocal in saying that they don't.

[Iconic Shawn]

Nah, I said I don't trust the guy who claims they've no intention of producing them, I also said under no circumstances should they be allowed to have them, I just want people to actually know the truth rather than saying 'fuck Iran because they're determined to wipe Israel off the map' because that's not actually true.  They don't like Israel, they don't recognise the authority of the Israeli government, they don't seem to particularly like Jews in general (although their constitution does guarantee that the minority Iranian jewish population (who are free to practice their own religion without threat it should be said) are represented in Parliament) they will tell you themselves that they are anti zionist but not univerally anti-semitic, nor have they made any claims about wanting to start World War 3 in the Middle East, in fact they've been quite vocal in saying that they don't.

Vocal. We'll see. Actions speak louder than words and in time, Iran will have what it needs to act.

IN OTHER NEWS!

Obama's message to the Taliban just got slapped in the face.. again.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090401/pl_nm/us_afghanistan_taliban

Are you guys happy that we talked now? Wasted time trying to be nice and shit.

Some people just don't learn. This shit happens over and over again and you guys continue to say diplomacy is the way to go?    Does it just make you feel better? I really don't get it.

~S~

[GGS]

But they are making fools of themselves with the USA and UK pulling out and trying to talk which gives them less excuses to hide behind for their Jihad and them gonna on the rampage like Duke Nukem on a kill spree racking up countless fellow muslims for the leaderboard.

So it's not all bad.

Normal muslims can pretty much see the crazies for the retards they are. If and when they decide to grow a spine and sort it out themselves is another long question for another day though.

[Funkadelik89]

You mean we hugged Iran and they still don't like us?  My whole perception of the world just radically changed. 

[roboaxl]

BNR would like how you think....I think.

[Bumbles N Roses]

I don't actually. Robo, you disagree surely?