The Lockerbie Bomber Free

[©GnrPersia]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8215556.stm

That dude admitted to murdering at least 22 of 500 civilians.  America sentenced him to 3 years house arrest...

As a deterrent or a way to set an example I'm not exactly sure that was the most effective strategy.

I think death sentence must be back to the rules. sometimes it's necessary.

[mooney]

the death sentence is outdated and just stupid.

my concern in this case is the whole "heroes welcome" part... why?? it's maybe straying from the point of this thread but we live in an impressionable time. Some kid watching TV *could* get some warped ideas. ya never know...

[CalumFarq]

I agree with mr. goes and mr. lust.    Anybody planning to kill 240 has to know that he is ending his life when going thru with it.  I don't know the history either, but from what I understand this is my opinion.

There are thousands apon thousands of people who could use compassion on sentences. Tommy Chong for one.

but yea kill 240 people and example has to be set... should be strung up and hung at the city square and laughed at. so people think twice about doing that again.

+1 and the way he was received in Libya was disgusting.

[Sean]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8215556.stm

That dude admitted to murdering at least 22 of 500 civilians.  America sentenced him to 3 years house arrest...

As a deterrent or a way to set an example I'm not exactly sure that was the most effective strategy.

well you are talking a lot of grey areas and millitary contritubtion and following orders during a mission and whatnot.  its not exactly 'America' civilian law in this example.  Nobody gets compassion in the states for killing 42 civilians.  If you can call an insane asylum for the criminally insane compassion.... I can give you that.  but I used to work in one... inside the fucker with one wall between me and the craziest fuckers you can imagine.... and its not pretty.

[AxlRoseCalifornia]

I understand both points but i think 2na fish is being too good on his opinion. I have to agree with Anything goes, FUCK compassion for this guy... he killed 270 people... how can you have compassion for this guy? I don't agree with the death penalty sentence, but for this guy, its what should be done...

[nemo]

well you are talking a lot of grey areas and millitary contritubtion and following orders during a mission and whatnot.  its not exactly 'America' civilian law in this example.  Nobody gets compassion in the states for killing 42 civilians.  If you can call an insane asylum for the criminally insane compassion.... I can give you that.  but I used to work in one... inside the fucker with one wall between me and the craziest fuckers you can imagine.... and its not pretty.

I'm fairly certain Mr Megrahi was following orders from someone else as well when he did his thing.  A Libyan intelligence officer doesn't act alone and come up with a plan by like this by himself without telling anyone.  The major difference here is that his victims were affluent white American and British civilians rather than Vietnamese peasants.  As far as I'm concerned 3 years house arrest for slaughtering dozens of people is pretty much bullshit. 

The amount of question marks over the case and the number of people involved in it on both sides who think he had nothing to do with it whatsoever and he's taken the fall as a scapegoat is a bit worrying as well. 

One other thing, he's got a couple of months to live, his chances of reoffending in that time are pretty much zero, especially as he's not going to be here or in America in the months he has left.  What good does keeping him in prison do?  He's not a threat to the public and retributive justice, while perhaps satisfying for the families of the victims, doesn't really do anything to make the world a better or safer place.

Does dying slowly of cancer in prison, separated from your family, really count as a worthwhile punishment to inflict upon someone?

[2NaFish]

What good does keeping him in prison do? 

it satisfies a base urge. vengence.

[Sean]

I dont understand why you say vengence. its more like the rules.... and justice.   like when I ban people here.... cuzzz of the rules, not cuzz I emotionally get involved. rules should be upheld for this...

why? because what about all the other murderers that murdered 1 person or 2 people, or 2nd degree murder and other non-high profile cases?  what is the percentage of compassion on the rest of the cases?   how can it be fair to go to the top of the latter of horrific crimes and start there?

also to point out that he can't hurt anybody doesnt sit right. many people are locked up who can't hurt you. that's not why people are locked up.  you do the crime you pay the time.   but I can see some compassion in many cases but not starting from this dude. Too unfair.

anyway again, I dunno too much about this case...   just reading here and the points mostly. but if he physically caused harm.. by actions like planting a bomb and has his hands on it, well then that country has every right to hold him.

i'm fucking rambling...  sorry working at same time.  some good points nemo

[2NaFish]

the rules say if you're not long for this earth then you can apply for compassionate release. he did and it was approved. to deny him would be vengeful rather than just.

the point is he'll be dead soon, so it serves no purpose beyond vengence having him in jail. the only argument against that is to say, "well he didnt show any compassion did he?". and thats to miss the point. we're better than him.

[bucketsixx]

the point is he'll be dead soon, so it serves no purpose beyond vengence having him in jail. the only argument against that is to say, "well he didnt show any compassion did he?". and thats to miss the point. we're better than him.

This x1000

Also the fact that there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that he actually didn't do it and was just given up by Libya as a sacrificial offering.

Up until late 2000, it was blamed on a Palestinian group, sponsored directly by Syria and indirectly by Iran, who had allegedly done it in response to a US warship killing 300 Iranians when it 'accidentally' shot down a civilian airliner a few months before. Hmm...I wonder why that massacre never gets the prominence that Lockerbie does...

But whatever....

[2NaFish]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8215556.stm

I found this little article "interesting" considering the condemnation coming from the corridors of power in the US.

[mooney]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8215556.stm

I found this little article "interesting" considering the condemnation coming from the corridors of power in the US.

think nemo beat you to it Mr Fish... (read up/last page)

[Sean]

   I'd rather see Charlie being rewarded in his next parole hearing and doing interviews on CNN.  The dude is 74 and can't hurt anyone and has just enough popularity to show how compassionate we are.  Besides he didn't actually kill anybody.

I'm sure he has family to see if he can free up his time between parades and interviews and sitting down with Obama.  The rules say anybody can put in a form for release. so why not

[Sean]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgKDS_YCo-Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enowpublic%2Ecom%2Fworld%2Fsusan%2Datkins%2Ddenied%2Dparole%2Dcompassionate%2Drelease&feature=player_embedded#t=160[/youtube]

This murder was like 40 years ago and see how thick the room is in this recent parole hearing still? She is about to die of Brain Cancer. and denied 'compassionate release'.

  I couldn't imagine a parole hearing for a dude guilty of killing 270 people and being released after 8 years served in prison. now that would be a tuff room.

It has little to do with vengence. has to do with upholding the law especially for horrific acts.  and the taking the high road argument for this high profile guy is embarassing and unfair to others who deserve to have their cased reviewed, and to all other families for any other horrific crime that has ever taken place that are ignored. And they go into the many thousands.

as far as him maybe not being guilty, that is not for me to judge but that is no reason to say he should be free cuzz he might be innocent.  ok proove him innocent and release him.. that would be fine. or retry the case. whatever.  but anyway I am judging on the crime as he were guilty.