any status updates on the tracker yet?

[Sean]

it might be stupid question but there's no chance to find a free host? I'd donate too but I don't fucking have a credit card

been doing this for a decade.  the answer is no and for many reasons. 

as for credit card. most people use paypal. not sure you NEED credit card...  should just be able to use bank account etc.

[Jarl]

In the past we tried a few free hosting profiders. Believe me that's not what you want.

Jarl

[cotis917]

A couple suggestions....
-More than two/three active moderator-admin-etc. that regulate the activites of the shoutbox,forums,torrents. With a few more (active) staff members, we could cut down on torrents that are uploaded with no information. A mod/admin could suspend the torrent until proper information is displayed (track list/author/taper/length/generation/etc). I think we should REQUIRE proper information. This would prevent people mindlessly uploaded all the shows they have just to get their name out there. When you require information, the correct information will be on display and won't force people to go searching for the information.
-Having more (active) staff would also help out due to the problems in the past in the shout-box. Everyone has had their bickering matches in there and a staff that is active and can discipline a member (say no upload/download for 24 hrs for first offense, second offense gets them 48 hours, third offense gets them 72, fourth offense could result in suspension for a given amount of time, fifth time results in banning). Also, if a member has a terrible ratio, suspend them as well or ban them. I have seen MANY people get away with coming onto the tracker, downloading OVER 100GB of stuff, uploading nothing and then never returning.
-Uploading bonuses/gifts. If someone uploads an unreleased/rare show, they should be given bonus points that they can use to either add onto their ratio or such, similar to the system that was in place before.
-Monthly contests. Once a month, you could give away a DVD set or two to the most active member, member with the best upload, etc. as chosen by the staff. This would entice members to join and get their free prize for doing something nice. To share the duties, one staff member a month could send out the show which keeps rotating.
-Expand to OTHER BANDS torrents! Even though it is solely a GNR tracker, we need to enlarge and gain more members that will be active! Why not allow it to be GNR and GNR-like bands. This could include bands that have toured with GNR, have been influenced by GNR, have influenced GNR, or similar acts in the same. Don't just allow us to upload shows from TOURS that those bands had with GNR. Expand it to a wider base, will definitely be more active.
-VIP section. For those people that truly do a great deal and help out the tracker in a great way. Not just someone who uploads things endlessly like it is their job...but for people that uploaded that rare/unreleased show after all this time. People that helped out with donations. Give them their own section or privileges for awhile. Examples-- double upload credit for those members for a month or two, or even give them the ability to freeleech for a month or so.
-Limit amount of users This would make it feel more exclusive and entice members to keep their good behavior and such so that they are not terminated. Limit the users at 2,500. I'm sure there are hundreds if not a thousand inactive accounts that people do not use. Requiring people to maintain a good ratio would also work because if too low -- they could be banned and lose their membership.


These are just a few ideas I have, who knows if they will go towards anything but I have spoken my thoughts.

[deadxsouth]

the link in your sig, sent me to a malicious site.. Not cool

[timebomb]

i agree on all cotis says. i am one that fights i admit it i will not lie. but on the bonus points i think it is a good idea but i think they need to be take out just for seeding stuff. but as cotis said use it for rare uploads get more points like 30 and just uploading cut back to 10 to 15 at the most. i think even for voting on torrents the 1 point needed gone.
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[cotis917]

the link in your sig, sent me to a malicious site.. Not cool

It was a link to my old website, hosted on FreeWebs. Not a malicious website. I now changed it to my correct website, http://www.cotisproductions.com

i agree on all cotis says. i am one that fights i admit it i will not lie. but on the bonus points i think it is a good idea but i think they need to be take out just for seeding stuff. but as cotis said use it for rare uploads get more points like 30 and just uploading cut back to 10 to 15 at the most. i think even for voting on torrents the 1 point needed gone.

What do you mean 'take out just for seeding stuff.'  ....but the 'bonus point system' at the old tracker was just used for bumping your ratio. There should be some meaning behind it, cash them in for actual DVDs, a t-shirt, gift card to use online, something like that. Make it more rewarding.


Tony brought up a good point in regards to our "legends" GNROSAS, Limulus, JM78, etc. I propose a LEGEND user category for them. Immune to ratio penalties/demotion/banning/etc. because of everything they have done for the community. They were listed as mods/staff at the old tracker and never really saw them do much, a few comments/uploads here and there but I didn't see things that they 'moderated' and such. No disrespect meant to them, I just think there may be better people served to be on the STAFF list.

Another thing just ran through my mind. In requiring people to put information about shows -- people will bitch. If possible, on a torrent page, could you link to another website? Ex. my website? I have all the GNR that I have filled out on there, ready for anyone to check out and use (with my permission). If you guys wanted, you could standardize that when uploading, check the 'new GNR guide' (my site) and just copy and paste a link there that would redirect the user? That way all the lazy users only have to copy and paste a link?

[zombux]

A couple suggestions....
-More than two/three active moderator-admin-etc. that regulate the activites of the shoutbox,forums,torrents. With a few more (active) staff members, we could cut down on torrents that are uploaded with no information. A mod/admin could suspend the torrent until proper information is displayed (track list/author/taper/length/generation/etc). I think we should REQUIRE proper information. This would prevent people mindlessly uploaded all the shows they have just to get their name out there. When you require information, the correct information will be on display and won't force people to go searching for the information.

I agree with you on this. but the problem is, there's very little people on the tracker, who behave like professionals. for now, I think we can handle it in current staff (inactive staff members like Zeppen or Lucas won't be tranferred). about torrent information, I'm guarranteeing it - because not everyone will be able to upload, but only certain users with Uploader or higher rank, so it will be easier to control.

-Having more (active) staff would also help out due to the problems in the past in the shout-box. Everyone has had their bickering matches in there and a staff that is active and can discipline a member (say no upload/download for 24 hrs for first offense, second offense gets them 48 hours, third offense gets them 72, fourth offense could result in suspension for a given amount of time, fifth time results in banning). Also, if a member has a terrible ratio, suspend them as well or ban them. I have seen MANY people get away with coming onto the tracker, downloading OVER 100GB of stuff, uploading nothing and then never returning.

we're hunting the automatic warn/ban system, which unfortunately is paid.

-Uploading bonuses/gifts. If someone uploads an unreleased/rare show, they should be given bonus points that they can use to either add onto their ratio or such, similar to the system that was in place before.

currently, the only upload bonus given is for actual seeding, which is only fair I think. we will tweak it a little bit, so seeding users get more bonus points, but that's all. no bonus for upload, for rating, etc.

-Monthly contests. Once a month, you could give away a DVD set or two to the most active member, member with the best upload, etc. as chosen by the staff. This would entice members to join and get their free prize for doing something nice. To share the duties, one staff member a month could send out the show which keeps rotating.

hmmm we would have to do this manually... not in our TODO list for now, but I note it, thanks for the suggestion!

-Expand to OTHER BANDS torrents! Even though it is solely a GNR tracker, we need to enlarge and gain more members that will be active! Why not allow it to be GNR and GNR-like bands. This could include bands that have toured with GNR, have been influenced by GNR, have influenced GNR, or similar acts in the same. Don't just allow us to upload shows from TOURS that those bands had with GNR. Expand it to a wider base, will definitely be more active.

this is problematic. we don't want to become next piratebay or demonoid. I think everything uploaded has to be related to GNR somewhat. GNR-like band is very vague description, I think we will stick with the old rule for beginning, and we will see how it goes next.

-VIP section. For those people that truly do a great deal and help out the tracker in a great way. Not just someone who uploads things endlessly like it is their job...but for people that uploaded that rare/unreleased show after all this time. People that helped out with donations. Give them their own section or privileges for awhile. Examples-- double upload credit for those members for a month or two, or even give them the ability to freeleech for a month or so.

I still don't know how to reward such people enough. this depends on paid mods anyway, so we'll deal with it later I guess

-Limit amount of users This would make it feel more exclusive and entice members to keep their good behavior and such so that they are not terminated. Limit the users at 2,500. I'm sure there are hundreds if not a thousand inactive accounts that people do not use. Requiring people to maintain a good ratio would also work because if too low -- they could be banned and lose their membership.

good point, it looks like we'll do it exactly like this, maybe even less users. inactive users with zero transfers will be pruned regularly.

about the ratio - we're trying to do it differently. my last idea is to use golden torrents and freeleech heavily. for example, make all common DVDs golden so anybody can boost their ratio. I mean, like 50 or 100 common releases (you know which I mean - Paris JM, etc). we had 1200 torrents altogether, so 50-100 permanent goldens would be a good number. the new uploader system is even more difficult for newbies, but this way anyone could download the most common DVDs easily, and after that the golden torrents would help them a lot to start building their ratio. freeleech would be a good additional feature, for example "hey, let's make a freeleech this weekend!"

about Legends, I have to check if the tracker allows ignoring ratio for certain class, good point.

[zombux]

There should be some meaning behind it, cash them in for actual DVDs, a t-shirt, gift card to use online, something like that. Make it more rewarding.

impossible. we have just enough money for running the tracker, so we can't afford any gifts like this. sorry. I was thinking about completely disabling the bonus point system, because people were only bitching about it. I think, if somebody has enough energy and motivation to share, he's just sharing. if not, no bonus points can help it.

If you guys wanted, you could standardize that when uploading, check the 'new GNR guide' (my site) and just copy and paste a link there that would redirect the user? That way all the lazy users only have to copy and paste a link?

on our TODO list. the way torrents are uploaded definitely HAS TO be standardized. is your guide complete? we're planning a guide included in the tracker, but it's a lot of work...

[Sean]

actually we do not have enuff money to run the tracker.  The last year hardly anybody has donated.  We used to get donations that were very helpful, but now we can't pay our monthly bills, and I pay it and believe me I'm broke as a joke.  I hope the new tracker will change this and people can help more again.

ok so we have many demands, I will try and code more things manually today.

[cotis917]

Good point about the bonus system, it really only serves the purpose of boosting a ratio or other pointless things like a title for your username and stuff, just make that stuff available to change at all times. I agree with the gifts (dvd, t-shirt) stuff, it was just an idea that ran through my head that might get people interested in the site again.

My website is 100% up to date. It doesn't have ALL GNR DVD ever, cause that is impossible due to random shows being uploaded at any time. I missed out on some shows before the tracker crashed such as various versions of Rock-Am-Ring 06 and stuff. When it comes back up I want to download them and burn them, then put them on my site ASAP -- so that is 100% accurate and everything.

As for the OTHER BANDS, I still think we need to incorporate them. Have a page on the site that has ALLOWABLE BANDS LIST. With names such as Metallica, Skid Row, Sebastian Bach, VR, Slash's Projects, Duff's Projects, Bumblefoot, NIN (Robin's involvement), FNM (toured with GNR), Motley Crue (similar from same era), Hinder (influenced by GNR), etc. Basic bands like that have MANY shows which would allow for more active members and more activity on the tracker! I will stand by that, as I believe we need more activity on the tracker.

Glad you agree on the Legends class and the limit of users. I think another idea is to utilize the invitations tool. Once a month give a person 2 invitations they can spread to a friend or so that wants to get in. But always keep the member total low so people are hungry to get back in. Close registration at say 2500 so that there are people left out that will want to get in.

[timebomb]

once the tracker re opens do we all that have spots now need to re register or do we keep our slots .   

ZOMBUX

[davidrm15]

Great idea Zombux.   
I doubt whether you can donate money without credit card and without taking account bank.Other idea would make a most comprehensive forum on the tracker, which record the news, information, orders, etc and is in several languages ( the best known)

[zombux]

once the tracker re opens do we all that have spots now need to re register or do we keep our slots .   

ZOMBUX

unfortunately everyone has to re-register and then ask for the old stats. we have stats of about 50% users, the rest will have to remember their old stats and we will recover them. we will recover download and upload (therefore no ratio hurt), and also user ranks.

about tracker forum, yes we have a tracker forum, based on SMF - actually it's exactly the same forum as this one. since the very first torrents, we're going to keep an updated list of everything uploaded, so everybody can get stuff easily.

[cotis917]

Depending on how much we need for the site, I may be able to 'get us running' so to speak.

I'll talk to Sean..

Also, another thing that may help boost interest on the site would be a new layout...? Nice one with dark GNR themed colors and such..