Lady GaGa

[2NaFish]

you raise points i've not mentioned, none of them leading anywhere.

her music is pish. moreover, it is flavour of the moment pish.

[ktallett]

I am yes raising points that are just lead on from my take on what you have said. Plus from other posts previously in the topic. Which i am stating factual info plus my opnion which is just like any other posts on the topic

 I dont see why you are challenging my post when you say its correct that she is shit when its perfectly clear its only subjective from iconic shawn. Her music is actually good in my opnion, your one opnion is just as valid as my one opnion.

She has one of the best selling albums of the year for the reason that a lot of people like her music not just pop as if it was just pop fans then there wouldnt be as many sales.

[polar]

well if anyone thinks she sucks and is ugly i cant argue that, you like what you like and that is never wrong.  the only point i argue is that she is manufactured, which she is not, she is self-contrived

[ktallett]

Well put polar

[2NaFish]

once again, points that are erroneous, and this time you've thrown in a few things which are incorrect. Opinions mean jack shit to me. She is objectively woeful.

Polar, I think you mean self-conceived; although, if you did mean contrived, she most certainly is that.

[ktallett]

May you state exactly what i have wrote that is incorrect rather than just saying that.

Also Can i ask you not to make the same point two times in a row just in different ways of expressing them. I assume that was a mistake or your misunderstanding of the word erroneous to basically say 'points that contain errors' (the meaning of erroneous) then say straight after  'plus a few things that are incorrect' ( the same thing). 

Opinions may mean 'jack shit to you' but yet again clearly quite ignorant and egotistic if you cant take the fact all your view is , is an opinion and never ever will be objective.
It is correct contrived for the description of her as its clearly not her regular look as seen in photos of stage plus in her past so it is an artificial look.

[polar]

Well put polar

ok please don't agree with me, i didn't pick you to be on my e-team, you're a queer and your very support alone weakens my point...

anywho, self-contrived is what i meant, it's probably a made up word but i'd use it to describe someone like marilyn manson too.  gaga understands well the conventions of commercial pop music and she tries to combine a sense of 70s glam/ variety feel with theater, costumes, choreography, and pop music.


the difference between like the backstreet boys and NKOTB and the pussycat dolls etc etc is that a record company and/or producer/manager held auditions and molded a performer to fit the role and image, lady gaga wouldn't exist without lady gaga

[ktallett]

There is no need to be a cock about an agreement on my point about a reasonably wrote (well organized post) not. Im not a queer nor do you have a point to weaken as it is actually a fact that she is contrived by herself (its not a word self-contrived). You cant weaken fact.

[2NaFish]

ok please don't agree with me, i didn't pick you to be on my e-team, you're a queer and your very support alone weakens my point...

anywho, self-contrived is what i meant, it's probably a made up word but i'd use it to describe someone like marilyn manson too.  gaga understands well the conventions of commercial pop music and she tries to combine a sense of 70s glam/ variety feel with theater, costumes, choreography, and pop music.


the difference between like the backstreet boys and NKOTB and the pussycat dolls etc etc is that a record company and/or producer/manager held auditions and molded a performer to fit the role and image, lady gaga wouldn't exist without lady gaga

excuse me. i thought you were backing up ktallet, rather than seeking to differentiate her from other generic pop bands by virtue of her decentralized image.

anywho, i dont think self-contrived is a word but there's nothing i can think of that would describe it better (rather than the rambling pish i've written above, which isnt nearly as contrite.)

[2NaFish]

May you state exactly what i have wrote that is incorrect rather than just saying that.

Also Can i ask you not to make the same point two times in a row just in different ways of expressing them. I assume that was a mistake or your misunderstanding of the word erroneous to basically say 'points that contain errors' (the meaning of erroneous) then say straight after  'plus a few things that are incorrect' ( the same thing). 

Opinions may mean 'jack shit to you' but yet again clearly quite ignorant and egotistic if you cant take the fact all your view is ,

i dont for a second believe that my view is the objective standard. clearly this would be ridiculous. I like music that is objectively shit and dislike music that is objectively good.

As for my use of erroneous; if you continue make different points that are erroneous, then it is valid for me to point them out.

As for what you said that was incorrect - a) i didnt insult your post. b) shawn wasn't be subjective c) discussing the validity of opinion is pointless d) whilst not tecniqually incorrect, your last sentence was momentally self-evident and redundant.

[polar]

excuse me. i thought you were backing up ktallet, rather than seeking to differentiate her from other generic pop bands by virtue of her decentralized image.

i dont usually read his posts (because they are giant walls of text, tldr, etc etc) so i dont know who agrees with me and who doesn't

but yea i dont care if anyone likes her, i just like to point out the reasons ppl state for hating her are usually incorrect

[ktallett]

it is fine for you to point out if i make a mistake yet it made no sense to use erroneous then say after you also had incorrect points which indicates the same thing as they have practically the same meaning.

A) im quite embarressed about that mistake i meant challenged. Sorry i was definately wrong there.
B) for the bit of the post i quoted (pop is shit) it was subjective it is opinion not real there for not objective so its therefore subjective.
C) it wasnt discussing its fact once again my opnion is as valid as yours or polars or iconic shawns no more no less. Unless one of us or anyone comes in with a further piece of factual information on the subject that hasnt been known by the rest, a bigger interest in pop music in general or larger knowledge due to work (say louis walsh joined in chat) the his opnion would be more valid as he would have more knowledge on the subject due to the nature of his work.
D) Last one was a touch pointless i agree.

[2NaFish]

sean, thanks for the ignore function. i didnt think i'd have to use it, but i'm getting a headache.

[dman1991]

I have tried to listen to her, and there is just nothing special or different from her and any other of the bubble gum girls. What exactly did she do that is so special or different from the rest? Im curious to know. Every couple of months a new Britney comes about and people compare her to Madonna and this and that, its a bunch of recycled shit.