Man Intentionally Flies Airplane Into Government Building in USA...

[2NaFish]

technically the I-Love-The-Flag propaganda we are taught in school in the US is based on a love of terrorism.  Hell, we name our streets after terrorists. we learn about the boston tea party and that they were heroes, the declaration branded all our heroes like ben franklin, jefferson, washington, the adams's etc etc etc as terrorists.  the revolutionary war was a big guerilla war.  so it's not that off base for americans to believe that acts technically considered terrorism are OK as long as it helps us get what we want.   

being british, i naturally bear a huge grudge against all those yanks. we'll get america back one of these days. grr.

seriously though, i did a few american history courses at uni and know exactly what you're getting it. i was building up to the point that to laud terrorism whilst believing that terrorists should be executed without trial (something the icon has repeatedly endorsed) could possibly be concstrued as hypocritical.

[nemo]

Who cares  what its labeled really? And why make a left and right case out of this?

Obviously the dude worked alone, was pushed to the edge and took matters into his own hands. I read his last letter and the only thing he appears to be partial to is communism.

I'm fully behind the dude being frustrated by the blatant corruption in the government which seems to have no end or limits in sights. I nod at him flying his plane into their building in protest of it but he should have done it in the off hours so as not to shed innocent blood with his message.

To me.. terrorism is aiming to killing innocents to get whatever points you want to make across. Using the fear of innocent death to persuade others to appease to what it is you want.

This case seemed to be extremely personal to this guy. I don't think he was trying to inspire fear into anyone.. he was just saying that HE was tired of it and was handling things his way.

In his last letter he made no call to anyone else or any other cause to join him. His problem is shared by a lot of us here in the states but he ended HIS problem his way.

No "glory be to anyone" in this one.

~S~

Your response to this was as predictable as it was galling and saddening. 

The man, in an attempt to damage the American political system, INTENTIONALLY FLEW AN AIRPLANE INTO A BUILDING FILLED WITH INNOCENT WORKERS, does that not, symbolically, on some level, as a New Yorker, cause something of an issue for you?

how did we go in 2 years from Republicans describing criticism of American troops and foreign policy as practically a treasonable offence, to nodding our heads in appreciation at people who commit acts of terrorism by attempting to destroy American government buildings, and murder innocent employees?

If the guy wasn't a white American, what would your feelings be?  What if he was an immigrant protesting about the difficulty in becoming an American citizen and he decided the best way to make his point was to fly into a building?

You'd be happy enough for someone to punch Obama in the face, but what if this had happened on Bush's watch?  Would it have been ok then?  Or has obama secretly changed the way the American tax system worked all the way back to the late 1970's and retrospectively applied his changes to everyone without telling the rest of us about it?

Your attitude disgusts me.

And no, i'm not a terrorist sympathiser, never have been.  Like i said in my first reply in this thread, I don't condone attacking innocent people to make a point, ever.  I may sympathise with the cause people are fighting for from time to time (hell, I can understand his getting mad at the tax system letting off the super rich like it has been doing for years, just like I can understand the frustration of the Palestinian people in Gaza, but I don't condone their methods in any way whatsoever.

[2NaFish]

Yes but you shouldn't do it.

Its OK to do but you shouldnt do it? Thats a contradiction. Don't get me wrong, i know what you mean but its clearly ridiculous to say its OK to do something but at the same time its also not OK.

(and whilst its for nemo to discuss, i find it odd to ask if he's a terrorist sympathizer whilst condoning terrorism. although this is probably just endemic of your understanding of what, or more specifically who, terror is/are)

[polar]

terrorism itself isn't good or evil, it's a tactic.  various groups (from the euro govts to religious extremists to the US govt) use terrorism, the only thing that makes it bad or good is whether or not you care about who gets hurt. 

[Sean]

The man, in an attempt to damage the American political system, INTENTIONALLY FLEW AN AIRPLANE INTO A BUILDING FILLED WITH INNOCENT WORKERS, does that not, symbolically, on some level, as a New Yorker, cause something of an issue for you?

nemo from the information I know... maybe you know something more.....  but I think you are speculating.  I based my opinion from what I see with hardship of crisis, his illness talk, and from what I seen the IRS can do to people.

The planes in NYC is from noted long term premeditated attacks.  and this can be on temporary insanity....    in his message he speak about his fight with mental illness

[mooney]

nemo from the information I know... maybe you know something more.....  but I think you are speculating.  I based my opinion from what I see with hardship of crisis, his illness talk, and from what I seen the IRS can do to people.

The planes in NYC is from noted long term premeditated attacks.  and this can be on temporary insanity....    in his message he speak about his fight with mental illness

mental illness or not - an act of terrorism is an act of terrorism. Flying a plane into a building, in my view - and probaby a dictionary's view too, is an act of terrorism, regardless of race, nationality, "cause" (ie, just/unjust cause?).

reading iconics posts, while not suprised in the least, im a little concerned. Im sure there's others who share his views, unfortunately.

[antonyrose]

it was a joke.

Well put a smiley face or something, cause we usually butt heads alot..  I aint madatcha....   Have a safe and happy weekend...

[polar]

whether or not you agree with the use of terrorism as a tactic in any situation, or whether or not you like some acts of terrorism, i think 2 things happen from these incidents in the US. 

1) it gives the govt an excuse to crack down and put into place laws they would have never otherwise been able to enforce.  and

2) it makes citizens numb.  maybe 10 years ago we would have not paid so much attention to something like this.  but when you put it into the context of the 911 attacks, ppl tend to freak out.  perhaps if we keep getting incident after incident, citizens will grow numb to it, thus  neutralizing terrorism, and maybe we'll start standing up to Big Brother again... or maybe, and probably more likely, we'll just keep getting more and more scared and beg the govt to protect us and blow in our ear and tell us everything will be ok

on the bright side, it got ppl talking about the 16th Amendment again in the mainstream, which is uber-important

[Sean]

Polar I agree.

anyway this wasn't a government building right?

and the IRS is a government agency?

anyway I understand too about its ok and not ok to do that to a building. Its not ok by law etc ....    but I think if society has to stand up for itself, then its ok in my book.  People cheered when Saddam statue came down which was destruction of gov property.

The People's Terrosist - Your Average Joe  <<<  Would you buy that?

[sunnyp]

This man was mentally ill. As far as I'm aware, he didn't have the intention of changing the course of governments when he flew the plane into the building.

This is not an act of terrorism.

On the plus side. The window cleaner, who used his ladder to save the lives of people who were trapped inside, should be given the keys to America. A true hero.

[Sean]

I been going on CNN for 2 days now for updates on this and the whole page is plastered with Tiger Woods and if people forgive him for cheating on his wife and fucking press conferences about it and they are even talking about conspiracy during the press conference now    and THIS IS THE HEADLINE NEWS

 

[dman1991]

I been going on CNN for 2 days now for updates on this and the whole page is plastered with Tiger Woods and if people forgive him for cheating on his wife and fucking press conferences about it and they are even talking about conspiracy during the press conference now    and THIS IS THE HEADLINE NEWS

 

I have not seen a shred of this in mainstream media, and I am on my computer or watching tv constantly. Im sure someone ran a blurb on it at fox, msnbc, or cnn, but it seems thats as far as it got.

I remember when Cory Lidle, former New York Yankee, accidentally flew his plane into a building in New York City, that was covered for at least a solid 3 days of constant updates about nothing.

As for Tiger, what a billionaire cant have a side piece, or 300?

[2NaFish]

I have not seen a shred of this in mainstream media, and I am on my computer or watching tv constantly. Im sure someone ran a blurb on it at fox, msnbc, or cnn, but it seems thats as far as it got.

I remember when Cory Lidle, former New York Yankee, accidentally flew his plane into a building in New York City, that was covered for at least a solid 3 days of constant updates about nothing.

As for Tiger, what a billionaire cant have a side piece, or 300?

i read a few papers today and never got a sniff of this story, and i asked folk at work and none of them had seen it mentioned.

[polar]

i've seen it mentioned enough to blame the tea baggers, which is absurdly retarded