US and UK 'special relationship'

[Sean]

I think he is talking about trends on the subject of chipping.  and trends are dangerous indeed ....  baby steps to rape.  saying in general.. I dunno if those things said are true.

[polar]

Slippery slope argument yet again shaun. Not actually making any points here, just hot air.

any argument is a slippery slope argument if you spin it the right way, you've used this to get you out of a lot of arguments.  it's not just about slippery slopes, it's about conditioning you population to accept tyranny one manageable mouthful at a time

and if you guys don't know about the CCTV's in homes for bad and unruly children to prevent crime, then you seriously need to google it....


The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes.

They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction.

Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far.

But ministers want to target 20,000 more in the next two years, with each costing between £5,000 and £20,000 – a potential total bill of £400million.

[polar]

Shawn, honestly what are guns going to do if our government goes crazy with power? If they ever do decide to completely ignore the people and impose a dictatorship,  I'm sure they will have the capability to withstand a couple thousand people armed with Tec- 9s marching at the whitehouse.

Any one who honestly thinks their right to bear arms still protects them from the government is delusional. They keep them legal just to give that illusion. You can continue to believe you are safe, but in reality for every gun you own there is 20 thugs to match, and for every 20 thugs there is a tank or missile, but good luck with your hunting rifle when anarchy comes.

slippery slope argument, full of hot airz

[dman1991]

slippery slope argument, full of hot airz

calling it a slippery slope is a slippery slope in itselfs, exploding with hot air!

[sunnyp]

any argument is a slippery slope argument if you spin it the right way, you've used this to get you out of a lot of arguments.  it's not just about slippery slopes, it's about conditioning you population to accept tyranny one manageable mouthful at a time

and if you guys don't know about the CCTV's in homes for bad and unruly children to prevent crime, then you seriously need to google it....


The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes.

They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction.

Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far.

But ministers want to target 20,000 more in the next two years, with each costing between £5,000 and £20,000 – a potential total bill of £400million.

Our country can't afford it. We're broke. Let me guess, the Daily Mail again?

[polar]

Our country can't afford it. We're broke. Let me guess, the Daily Mail again?

why do you constantly deny the existence of shit you could so easily google?  /ktallet status
you seriously need to learn shit about your country, i won't always be here to help you

EDIT: here sweetie, took me 10 seconds to google it for ya.  wired magazine, bbc, the telegraph, and on and on and on and oh yeah, raped

http://www.google.com/search?q=sin+bins+for+worst+families&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[sunnyp]

why do you constantly deny the existence of shit you could so easily google?  /ktallet status
you seriously need to learn shit about your country, i won't always be here to help you

EDIT: here sweetie, took me 10 seconds to google it for ya.  wired magazine, bbc, the telegraph, and on and on and on and oh yeah, raped

http://www.google.com/search?q=sin+bins+for+worst+families&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Again, simply because it's written in a paper.... IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

[polar]

Again, simply because it's written in a paper.... IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

I think you're grieving, first anger, then denial, now you're bargaining... we through the same process when i had to explain to you they are chipping the garbage.

it doesn't mean it's going to happen?  what part of "Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far" don't you get?

[sunnyp]

I think you're grieving, first anger, then denial, now you're bargaining... we through the same process when i had to explain to you they are chipping the garbage.

it doesn't mean it's going to happen?  what part of "Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far" don't you get?

Some stats from one of them across the water:

Number of chips in my bin = 0
Number of cameras in my house = 0
Number of chips in me = 0
Number of chips in my dog = 1 (that was part of her Passport scheme. We take our dog to France with us sometimes).

Firstly, you have this weird desire to rape me. Secondly, you read an article in one or many of our sensationalist newspapers, and when combined with your general hysterical nature and overactive imagination regarding the most basic of facts, you seem to apply this to the entire country.

In our newspapers, the smallest of problems is a 'crisis of massive proportions'. It's designed to whip people into a frenzy, usually in support of some ridiculous idea which the govt is PLANNING. About 95% of people in this country can see straight through it, and don't really care about these whacky schemes because, after all, we see them for what they are.... Whacky schemes which don't impact on our lives in any way. Unfortunately, in the domestic population of the UK, about 5% of people actually care about these issues because they are directly affected by them. They are lovingly referred to as pikeys, chavs, gypos, or arseholes.

Our prisons are overcrowded, and so the most logical solution is to monitor the criminal via house arrest. This could be done by a tag, or by a camera. I'm sure that in the majority of arseholes who are under house arrest, one of the same aforementioned aresholes is likely to have a dangerous dog. You also have house arrest in the US as a lenient form of incarceration/punishment. Please do not confuse the rights of a free person with those of a criminal.

The moral of the story, which seems to be echoing itself a bit too much in this thread, is please do not apply these headlines to the entire country. We know not to do the same for the US. I'd also recommend you visit the UK to see how we live and compare that to the ridiculous stories you read about in the paper.

[polar]

so if you didn't actually know any of this existed in the first place, how can you really argue in it's defense?   

at least now you kinda-sort know, not my care what you do with that knowledge, you'd follow the crowd either way

[sunnyp]

so if you didn't actually know any of this existed in the first place, how can you really argue in it's defense?   

at least now you kinda-sort know, not my care what you do with that knowledge, you'd follow the crowd either way

I wouldn't be so sure. None of this stuff affects me in any way because I haven;t broken the law, and I don't intend to be in such a position for it to affect me. For me, life's the same as it always has been.... Sweet. I'm not a pikey cunt who steals cars, or breeds dangerous animals to use as weapons, so why should I worry about such forms of punishment.

Just in passing, let me honestly tell you about something really topical in the UK right now. Some arsehole kids (most likely the ones that you read about in the papers) terrorised a disabled man for years and years in a slum in Manchester. Recently, he just dropped down dead in his garden one day from the pressure of it all.

Now, if the govt don't do anything, they're seen to be irresponsible and unresponsive. If they do something, they get criticised for creating a nanny state. It's a lose lose situation for them. 

I'm sure that 95% of Brits on this forum would agree with me when I say that our politicians really don't give a shit. The ones who pretend they do, are just after our votes (there is an election coming up in May, so expect whacky headlines promising even whackier legislation). What can be done that punishes those responsible for antisocial behaviour while not infringing on the civil liberties of the innocent?.. It's a very fine line. These are the issues which are really important at the moment for everyday British people (trust me, I'm here and I'm one of them). The core problem, is that our politicians are out of touch with the people and vice versa. Our leaders live in cushy houses in Central London, and so the ridiculous ideas that they have for crime and policing remain just that. You should really come here and see the UK with your own eyes and make your own opinions.

A news article may be written to coerce and malign. Please don't trust what you read in the British media because it's all a sack of biased and irrelevant shite.     

[Sean]

Local authorities for continued harrassment... done.

[dman1991]

I'm sure that 95% of Brits on this forum would agree with me when I say that our politicians really don't give a shit. The ones who pretend they do, are just after our votes (there is an election coming up in May, so expect whacky headlines promising even whackier legislation).  Our leaders live in cushy houses in Central London, and so the ridiculous ideas that they have for crime and policing remain just that. You should really come here and see the UK with your own eyes and make your own opinions.

You pretty much summed up the U.S. government as well, and it could be put on a much larger scale. A vast majority of our politicians are silver platter spoiled pussies (ahem, G.W.). Think about a bunch of assholes who spent time in the National Guard getting to decide  on whether or not we blow up entire governments from their HD toilet laptops. My point is they have lost touch with lesser society and say whatever they have to get where they want to be. They also like to trick old people, very honorable.

You can say Americans do not vote, which is true to an extent. When you have 2 or 3 generic douchebags with basically the same ideas sans a Rep-Dem social issue, you tend not to care because in the end they all have each others back anyways and they all are richer than you ever will be.

[sunnyp]

^ I'm positive (ironically negative in mood) that this how they all operate... It's a fact of life. They are all fruit from the same tree.

In my opinion, democracy is measured by the everyday freedoms and liberties which a fair man possesses, and also the capability for the same individual to influence those who dominate. When a law abiding citizen is unfairly punished, or curtailed in his freedoms, then it's time to act. At present, irrespective of ridiculous newspaper headlines, respectable citizens of the UK are not punished for crimes which they haven't committed.... Honestly, I resent hearing otherwise.