Slash Talks About Axl's Comment on him last year.

[dirk]

Sounds like a great chance to start a Slash forum instead then...

[jamillos]

I hate this "Axl's been spitting out shit" bullcrap when considered that Axl is the one who had actually remained silent for some ten years, except for some rants in '02 and then maybe few in '06, and now when he started to talk properly (since '08) Slash makes it sound like Axl's the one who's been stirring shit around in media all the time and Slash is the poor victim who's been being attacked all the time. It seems to me to be the other way round, really. But go tell it to the newspapermen...

[mooney]

I have to agree with Slash.
It’s odd – you know, I used to blindly defend Axl and never understood why so many people put all the blame for the band’s split solely on Axl’s shoulders. I thought they were being unfair to Axl – afterall, Slash quit and Axl stayed with the band, right?  Well, I no longer believe it’s this simple.   

After recently finding myself on the receiving end of one of Axl’s more vitriolic – and childish – rants, I find myself sympathizing with Slash. Axl’s “cancer” comment and angry obsession with anything Slash-related – such as his rant against me for exposing the Slash gear policy - is just sad.

Just for the record – I continue to stand by my sources for the Slash gear story.  The sources were highly credible, and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the "Slash gear" policy was definitely in place for the Winnipeg show.  I can't say if the policy continued after Winnipeg - given the huge firestorm that erupted on the Net over it - but it was definitely there for the Winnipeg show.  And the fact that Axl had no interest in speaking to the security manager who confirmed the policy to  find out the truth – and preferred instead to shoot the messenger (me) instead - seems to indicate he too knew the story was true.

Anyhow – all of this has given me a new perspective on Axl and GNR.  If Axl can make over-the-top slanderous attacks against a long-time diehard fan – one who spent eight years building a forum to support him and help keep his band’s name and music alive on that forum when there was no news or album  -  over a Slash story – then it certainly makes me wonder about the kinds of things he might have done and said that drove Slash to quit GNR.  Just my 2 cents.

 

It seems not only Axl has had a problem with you... "credible sources" haha... what, MyGnR??

[dman1991]

I have to agree with Slash.
It’s odd – you know, I used to blindly defend Axl and never understood why so many people put all the blame for the band’s split solely on Axl’s shoulders. I thought they were being unfair to Axl – afterall, Slash quit and Axl stayed with the band, right?  Well, I no longer believe it’s this simple.   

After recently finding myself on the receiving end of one of Axl’s more vitriolic – and childish – rants, I find myself sympathizing with Slash. Axl’s “cancer” comment and angry obsession with anything Slash-related – such as his rant against me for exposing the Slash gear policy - is just sad.

Just for the record – I continue to stand by my sources for the Slash gear story.  The sources were highly credible, and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the "Slash gear" policy was definitely in place for the Winnipeg show.  I can't say if the policy continued after Winnipeg - given the huge firestorm that erupted on the Net over it - but it was definitely there for the Winnipeg show.  And the fact that Axl had no interest in speaking to the security manager who confirmed the policy to  find out the truth – and preferred instead to shoot the messenger (me) instead - seems to indicate he too knew the story was true.

Anyhow – all of this has given me a new perspective on Axl and GNR.  If Axl can make over-the-top slanderous attacks against a long-time diehard fan – one who spent eight years building a forum to support him and help keep his band’s name and music alive on that forum when there was no news or album  -  over a Slash story – then it certainly makes me wonder about the kinds of things he might have done and said that drove Slash to quit GNR.  Just my 2 cents.

 

Yes u delusional and arrogant person. It is because of you that I like guns n roses, not their music or anything. I have heard there was a group of people with slash hats on that were there to ruin the show, and security promptly removed them from the premises.

For you to turn it into an issue was ridiculous, if he does not want you at the show, then he has the right to remove you. This band was not made on the internet, or by little bitches who think they are owed something because they are fans.

No diehard fan would pretend to be a credible source to make the band look bad. Even if it is true, I really dont care, I am not a fan of gnr because of their pr status, the music speaks for itself.

[RP88]

Really dman? I swear I've just read a couple posts of yours saying you weren't having a go at madison and here you are pulling up a thread that hasn't had a post in over a month to attack her opinion.

I find Madison's posts to be extremely ignorant and misinformed but I don't need to call her out on every single one. Let it die man...

[dman1991]

Really dman? I swear I've just read a couple posts of yours saying you weren't having a go at madison and here you are pulling up a thread that hasn't had a post in over a month to attack her opinion.

I find Madison's posts to be extremely ignorant and misinformed but I don't need to call her out on every single one. Let it die man...

I said I would stop being blatantly ignorant and more respectful, not that I would stop questioning her or her motives for being here.

As she said, this is a discussion forum, where everyone has their opinions and right to discuss. Why is it I keep getting ridiculed for calling her out? She can defend herself, and has repeatedly. Why do you or the other few people feel the need to tell me to stop voicing my opinion on her. As long as her posts are questionable, I will question it.

I responded late because I did not notice that she responded to me. I do like to respond when people quote me, and it is kind of annoying when you respond to someone and they do not reply. Really I am showing her respect by listening to her opinion and responding with my own.

I  have asked for her sources on the slash story and just been ignored. It is a bit ridiculous to spread such a big story around, spin it in her favor, and not provide any info on the source, would you not agree?

Why not tell me why I am wrong rather than tell me not to post?

[kyrie]

Ok I haven't been on here in a while. I usually post at HTGTH or MyGNR. That said - I was at two of the Canadian shows, in Toronto and Hamilton. There was NO Slash gear policy. Not only that, when an employee from the Winnpeg venue posted that *nothing* was told to them about banning any gear, his post on MyGNR was deleted (this was before Axl's rant). I'd love to know why his post was deleted because it seemed very credible, and basically said anything that was done was done by security in Winnipeg and they never heard anything from the band or management.

Credible sources - laughable. If your sources aren't transparent - if we can't question them directly - then fuck 'em, because they aren't credible in my book.

I can say first hand that at the shows I was at, people had Slash gear. One guy had a flag with Slash on it - he held it up during the opening acts, and the start of Chinese Democracy. Axl would have been blind not to see it. Nothing was said, nothing was done, and the guy was right in front of security. After the first song or two he had it draped around his neck. He really looked kind of silly and it was obvious he brought it to make a statement/get a response, be it from the band or fans, and it failed (I could be wrong about that, but why else would someone bring it?).

So can we put this shit to rest now? There was no story. Madison was never there, never at a show, hell does she even fucking live in Canada? I was there for two of those shows and while security at the ACC were assholes (much nicer at Copps), nothing happened at either venue, so I highly doubt anything happened anywhere else. You don't make a policy like that for just one venue. If it was legit, you would have heard about it in Edmonton, Calgary, and everywhere else. And even if it was a policy that was changed because of the "huge firestorm" on the net, you'd have a memo or something turn up. More people would have been talking about it. Employees at other venues would have spoken up, because security plans are dished out well in advance.

As usual, it's one or two people who like stirring the pot. And it goes right back to why we have threads like this.

Axl has moved on. Slash has moved on. The only reason most of these topics exist is because certain "fans" are stuck in the past, and very bitter. The band members try not to comment but then reporters like to drag it up, because the fans react to it.

Get over it. It's 2010. Who cares whose fault what was? We'll never know because we weren't there and memories fade. The band members went their separate ways. Izzy is cool enough with it to tour with GN'R. Duff is in Jane's Addiction. Slash is doing pretty well with his solo album. Enjoy what we have and stop looking to the past.

[SONOFABITCH]

Did he really say this?!!

Who gives a fuck about integrity, eh Slash?

He just seems to be more and more about money. Thankfully, to some, it's about more than just the dollar.

Are you for real?  Axl uses the name Guns N' Roses strictly for money puroposes.  If he called Chinese Demcoracy "Axl" it would have flopped even worst than it did.  If he toured under the name "Axl" he would sell less tickets.  If you believe that "last man standing" crap you are dumber than Axl thought.

[badfaulkner]

Axl was the last man standing.  It's the truth.  In Slash's book, Keith Richard told Slash, "No matter what...you NEVER leave YOUR band." But Slash did. 

Axl and Slash could've worked their shit out.  Mick and Keith did.  Steven and Joe did. 

I'm sick and tired of guys who quit (quitters never what????) being painted as victims.  Just move the fuck on. 

I love Slash, too, but seriously...I've read his book, I've heard his comments on interviews.  There's ten times the negative shit from him than vice versa. 

[Public Enemy #1]

We know Slash has been suing axl behind the scenes

Slash has been suing him behind the scenes because Axl refuses to speak to him. Remember Slash showing up at his house in the early morning hours of 2005? According to reports, he was attempting to discuss some royalty issue instead of it going to court. What did Axl do? Sent the housekeeper out to talk to him.

I don't blame Slash. I'd sue him too. Especially since he wrote those riffs that Axl's "band" is now being paid to cover.

[dman1991]

Are you for real?  Axl uses the name Guns N' Roses strictly for money puroposes.  If he called Chinese Demcoracy "Axl" it would have flopped even worst than it did.  If he toured under the name "Axl" he would sell less tickets.  If you believe that "last man standing" crap you are dumber than Axl thought.

Ifs and buts were candy and nuts...

As someone quoted, Slash himself said Axl was the last man standing, soooo......... If he were that desperate for money I'M Sure he would have made a bigger effort to sell out gnr as well as play more than a few shows per year on average since 93.

[mooney]

Slash has been suing him behind the scenes because Axl refuses to speak to him. Remember Slash showing up at his house in the early morning hours of 2005? According to reports, he was attempting to discuss some royalty issue instead of it going to court. What did Axl do? Sent the housekeeper out to talk to him.

I don't blame Slash. I'd sue him too. Especially since he wrote those riffs that Axl's "band" is now being paid to cover.

Slash changed his story a couple of times. Seems odd that YOU are so sure of what all of that was about, when the man in question isn't.

[SONOFABITCH]

MOONEY - A couple thoughts I wanted to share:

#1 - Slash going to Axl's house for whatever reason was a GOOD thing.  They make their best music together.  I think realistically we all know that is the case.  There are a couple teenagers here who think otherwise, but to the general public, we all know Axl and Slash are best together.  That being said he did contradict himself but he did go which I applaud. 

#2 - Axl's rants were long winded, full of hate, and seemed like a story written by a lawyer with 17 years to word it properly without seeming like a power hungry ego maniac.  Axl obviously wanted to control Guns N' Roses.  He wanted to be the dictator.  He wanted to replace players whenever he saw fit.  He wanted to show up to rehersal whenever he damn well pleased.  He wanted  to put Paul Tobias (who is a tool) over Slash.  He showed a huge lack of respect to the rest of the band and they had enough of his crap.  He was the last man standing because they weren't going to stick around and kiss his ass.  Axl has ultimate power of the band now, and prostitutes the moniker Guns N' Roses.

[mooney]

MOONEY - A couple thoughts I wanted to share:

#1 - Slash going to Axl's house for whatever reason was a GOOD thing.  They make their best music together.  I think realistically we all know that is the case.  There are a couple teenagers here who think otherwise, but to the general public, we all know Axl and Slash are best together.  That being said he did contradict himself but he did go which I applaud. 

I'm not denying they make good music - great music infact. Im on record as saying my fav. records ever are the UYI records. Maybe Slash going there could/was a good thing - if it meant repairing some damage between them that would obviously be positive. But we dont know what went on - we have a couple different versions of events from Slash, and one from Axl's camp. make of it what you will.

#2 - Axl's rants were long winded, full of hate, and seemed like a story written by a lawyer with 17 years to word it properly without seeming like a power hungry ego maniac.  Axl obviously wanted to control Guns N' Roses.  He wanted to be the dictator.  He wanted to replace players whenever he saw fit.  He wanted to show up to rehersal whenever he damn well pleased.  He wanted  to put Paul Tobias (who is a tool) over Slash.  He showed a huge lack of respect to the rest of the band and they had enough of his crap.  He was the last man standing because they weren't going to stick around and kiss his ass.  Axl has ultimate power of the band now, and prostitutes the moniker Guns N' Roses.

Paul Tobias is credited often on CD. now, imo, Axl's music post Slash is better than Slash's music post Axl. So, on that evidence, i wouldn't call Todias a "tool". Again, we dont have the full story behind that, pretty much just Slash's side of things. So you can't draw conclusion from that based on one side of the coin.

I also dont accept that he "prostitutes the GNR moniker". How? if he went out, did shitloads of press and stuff - gave their music to every film, game, TV advert going.... i might be inclined to agree. Axl could have made much more money than he has - hardly prostituting GNR.