Author Topic: another nobody talks about GNR (by Michele Catalano)  (Read 1366 times)

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another nobody talks about GNR (by Michele Catalano)
« on: March 26, 2010, 07:52:08 AM »
Not sure who this chick is, but i know Some people on this board that may like this negative article

http://trueslant.com/michelecatalano/2010/03/26/my-lovehate-affair-with-axl-rose/

I was reading a few articles this morning about Axl Rose being sued and it got me thinking about my long, on again-off again relationship with Axl and Guns N’ Roses and how I never got to tell anyone how much I hated Chinese Democracy and everything that went into it. Old story? Sure. But hyperbolic hatred loves a new audience.

My history with Axl and company is a long and complicated one. I imagine that most metal fans who hooked on to the early GnR bandwagon followed the same path I did. Think of the seven stages of grief in reverse. From acceptance (Appetite for Destruction = welcome to my record collection!) to denial (I swear to you I never owned The Spaghetti Incident), we watched – and in some ways participated in – the slow death of a once great band. But it wasn’t their years of putting out head banging, fist pumping music that was the greatest show. No, it was watching Axl Rose trying in vain to raise the Phoenix from the ashes that offered the most jaw dropping, car-wreck kind of entertainment this side of the November Rain video.

Real music fans don’t just buy an album, get their groove on and put the album away until later. We invest a part of ourselves in each record we buy. And, by extension, we invest a piece of ourselves in the bands we love. We form a relationship, so to speak, with the band as a whole. And it’s a tenuous sort of relationship, because the only thing that ties us together is the actual music. A new album comes out, you listen for the first time and each perfectly crafted song is tantamount to being embraced by a passionate lover. Every lyric that resonates, beat that you feel in your bones, hook that captures your soul – it’s like making love to the music and those who made the music (metaphorically speaking, of course). The better the anticipated album or single, the more intense the action is. So each new album we wait for is like the promise of hot, dirty sex after your partner has been away for a while. And in that essence, Chinese Democracy was a years long cock tease.

My real lust for the band kind of faded right around Civil War. It was then I realized that Guns N’ Roses was the equivalent of the girl who teases you with her perky breasts for years and when you finally manage to get under the hood, you grab hold of three inches of padded bra. All that music before Use Your Illusion II was just a ruse to get us to this point. They gave us the good stuff first so they could later on sit back and make this pretentious, melodramatic drivel that they called art. There was nothing left to them. Empty D cups.

I never held a grudge against the rest of the band like I do Axl. He was – and is – a self indulgent monster whose posturing bravado could never hide the fact that he was really nothing more than a wimp, a nancy boy, a withered soul of a human being who couldn’t handle criticism or competition. Yet somehow, he managed to convince himself that he was the king of the mountain and deserved every indulgence he demanded – something the attempted creation of Chinese Democracy made all so evident, especially since during the recording of that disaster he surrounded himself with people just like himself.

He accompanied Buckethead on a jaunt to Disneyland when the guitarist was drifting toward quitting, several people involved recalled; then Buckethead announced he would be more comfortable working inside a chicken coop, so one was built for him in the studio, from wood planks and chicken wire.

That excerpt alone is what symbolizes both Axl Rose and the whole warped evolution of Guns N’ Roses. Ridiculous excess, indulgence, pretentiousness and the penchant for extending the idea of making an album to such ridiculous heights that, somehow, building a chicken coop for Buckethead seemed like a good way to spend money. The mere fact that Axl spent 14 years and 13 million dollars of someone else’s money making what amounts to a mediocre tribute to his own ego is all anyone needs to know about the mindset of the man.

Of course I listened to the album when it finally came out.  I had to know. Was it worth the time and money? Would Axl regain my love? Does this band really deserve to be named Guns N’ Roses?   And, like any great myth, the legend of Chinese Democracy was a tale bigger and grander than the sum of its parts.  I thought it was bland, lifeless and sad, desperate attempt to recapture the hearts and minds of the people who swayed along to Sweet Child of Mine but who refused to acknowledge any Guns N’ Roses that didn’t include Slash. Sure, millions of people bought the album, but there’s only going to be so many people, most of them sporting mullets and sleeveless denim jackets, who will truly, honestly believe in their hearts that the band that put out Chinese Democracy, and the band that is currently touring under the Guns N’ Roses name is actually Guns N’ Roses. Because it isn’t.  Not by a longshot. If Axl had any integrity at all, he would have ditched the band name and come up with something new. But ingegrity and Axl Rose have never gone hand in hand, have they?

I would say Chinese Democracy was the final chapter in the rise and fall of Axl, but it’s more like the rise and fall and fall and fall; he seems determined to make his plunge from rock star to “Where Are They Now?” last forever. Currently, he’s at the bloated, hardly recognizable stage of demise. But if it’s controversy and lawsuits that keep him alive, Axl will live forever.

I prefer to remember Axl the way I first loved him; all swaying hips and high decibel screaming, causing riots, forgetting to show up for concerts, making an ass of himself in ways that are forgivable in rock and roll. Everything  from the original Guns N Roses on? As unforgivable as The Spaghetti Incident.

Every time Axl makes the news, I listen to Appetite for Destruction and yearn for the days when our relationship was so uncomplicated.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2010, 06:56:28 PM by Lucky »
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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 07:57:39 AM »
stopped reading after she called UYI pretenious, melodramatic drivel.

Melodrama...? yea, in spades, and it's fuckin' awesome. UYI's are my fav records ever.

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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 08:36:56 AM »
Axl should apologise to her for having the audacity to actually put out new music.
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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 09:19:55 AM »
i was bored so i read the rest...

interesting that she says the only people who will like CD are those clinging to the past with their mullets and denim jackets, yet she clearly states when Axl comes on TV or news or whatever she'll put her AFD record on.

On top of that, musically, CD isnt the sound that id personally associate with "mulletheads" and denim jacket wearers...

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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2010, 09:47:48 AM »
She makes some points, but she also exagerates too much on the way she describes this new band, which i believe in my opinion they have great talent.
Obviously she's an Appetite era extremist.
She makes some points though. I think she makes a good point right here:

"He accompanied Buckethead on a jaunt to Disneyland when the guitarist was drifting toward quitting, several people involved recalled; then Buckethead announced he would be more comfortable working inside a chicken coop, so one was built for him in the studio, from wood planks and chicken wire.

That excerpt alone is what symbolizes both Axl Rose and the whole warped evolution of Guns N’ Roses. Ridiculous excess, indulgence, pretentiousness and the penchant for extending the idea of making an album to such ridiculous heights that, somehow, building a chicken coop for Buckethead seemed like a good way to spend money. The mere fact that Axl spent 14 years and 13 million dollars of someone else’s money making what amounts to a mediocre tribute to his own ego is all anyone needs to know about the mindset of the man."

However i also think she was too arsh and stupid i might add in some of her opinions. And Axl certainly doesn't owe anything to this woman, to even care about.

Is this the girl from the song "My Michelle"?
« Last Edit: March 26, 2010, 09:49:26 AM by AxlRoseCalifornia »
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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2010, 09:50:44 AM »
stopped reading after she called UYI pretenious, melodramatic drivel.

Melodrama...? yea, in spades, and it's fuckin' awesome. UYI's are my fav records ever.

Also felt that she was a fucking ring ratt when she wrote that!
UYI 1 is my favorite album!
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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2010, 10:27:10 AM »
This chick is the worst type of critic.

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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2010, 10:48:34 AM »
I don't agree with everything she said, but I understand...
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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 11:17:57 AM »
Who is this brainless hack to judge anyone let alone Guns N' Roses? Did she manage to put out music in some form or is she a musician at all? Pushing an album to a final release is a complex process and it's far more complex under the circumstances surrounding Chinese Democracy.

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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 11:38:09 AM »
God you would think professional writers would know at least how to cover up bias, but she is so blatant its not funny. After the first paragraph you could tell she is a Slash fan, and will not accept Axl without Slash.
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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 12:17:03 PM »
What a bitch !!!
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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 01:28:49 PM »
"I hate you for growing older Axl Rose",

"If you like G'nR now you must have a mullet",

"Yes, millions of people around the globe bought the album but they don't really like it. They can't because I don't (not that I'm egotistical like that Axl fella)",

"Why did they have to give up the heroin just when it was becoming cool? I mean, look at what it did for Kurt and Coutney!"

"I paid 12 whole dollars or whatever for Appetite for Destruction and my overdeveloped sense of entitlement demands that this artist should stay firmly rooted at the point where I liked them most (before I jumped onto another bandwagon)

Fucking Cobain nuthuggers sicken me with their revisionist history and pious, sanctimonious drivel.
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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2010, 01:38:03 PM »
It's always strange to see people stuck in the past instead of moving on, if time stood still it would still be second world war I guess !!! get yur head out yur ass twat !
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Re: My love/hate affair with Axl Rose by Michele Catalano
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2010, 01:42:21 PM »
stopped after the third line.
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