UK General Election 2010 - The Cyclops Vs Lord Snooty

[sunnyp]

My mate just posted this on facebook

"Whilst watching the ITV debate I have formulated a basic game ready to play during the other debates.

Firstly pick your election hot topic from the following:
Education
Health
Defense
Economy
Immigration
Environment
Employment

You must drink double the allocated amount when your hot topic is the one under discussion

eg two fingers for "cut" becomes four fingers if it is referring to the NHS and Health is your hot topic.

DRINK TWO FINGERS FOR THESE WORDS: (feel free to pick your favourites for clarity)
cuts
honesty
fair/fairness
budget
billions
proud/pride
children
Nick
David
Gordon
cost
nation
government
solution
idea
support
change
future
and every time Clegg/Cameron/Brown use the name of the question-asker

DRINK FOUR FINGERS FOR:
"If I may..."
"Lets be clear..."
"Its easy to say..."
"I think Nick agrees with me"(Gordon)
"You had 13 years!"(David)
Pop culture references eg x factor, the charts, films, etc

DOWN YOUR DRINK FOR:
-"I met a man/woman/monkey/priest the other day and they had been burgled/had cancer/been threatened by hoodies/stabbed a teacher... " you get the idea
likewise for
-"I was in Burnley/Stafford/Exeter/Narnia last week and..."
-Any time Gordon smiles
-Any time someone answers a question directly!
-"I think Nick agrees with me"(David)
-Anything referencing alcohol or binge drinking!


Also you must drink for the duration of the asking of the question.

Any other suggestions welcome!

Please enjoy democracy responsibly."

Priceless.

[nemo]

iTV polling on the debate:

Clegg 46%
Brown 34%
Cameron 20%

The online poll of 56,000 people finished on

Clegg 46%
Brown 35%
Cameron 19%

Yet News at 10's phone poll  of 4,000 people's results went

Clegg 43%
Cameron 26%
Brown 20%

wtf?  Cameron was a shambles.  Who did they phone?

[muppit]

i  bet they  only counted the people who  were undecided seemed like brown was far to  quiet while cammy was just kinda repeating himself clegg owned it

[2NaFish]

The online poll of 56,000 people finished on

Clegg 46%
Brown 35%
Cameron 19%

Yet News at 10's phone poll  of 4,000 people's results went

Clegg 43%
Cameron 26%
Brown 20%

wtf?  Cameron was a shambles.  Who did they phone?

Clearly clegg won it. The initial point that should be raised is, from whom did he take those - if we consider that their is a core support who would favour brown/cameron no matter what it appears that brown lost more.

Then we need to wonder what the question was. Whilst it appears a good result for cameron, had the question been, "based on the debate who would you vote for if the election was tomorrow", i imagine he would've lost out.

Perhaps a more useful question would've been to rank the candidates 1, 2, 3.

[CD06]

The Lib Dems could end up crucial to the result now. If they win over the 'floating voter' population, it reduces the Tory lead IMO. It's the Tories who need to win the seats, as opposed to Labour just defending as many seats as possible, if that makes sense?

The debates are a great idea, and the more probing the better. It's about time the leaders had to answer straight up questions rather than pissing about in the commons like a bunch of idiots. I'm sick of them sidestepping questions that matter.

[mooney]

If the Lib Dems didnt already have it solidified, they certainly have the younger, first time voters vote.

very strange that Cameron polled 2nd. He was fucking terrible! dodged several questions, kept playing the personal story card, kept repeating cringeworthy anecdotes ("black man in Plymouth..."), played the "brave, heroic" servicemen card like it was going out of fashion and on top of all of that, displayed the typical Tory policies that we all know and "love" - cap on immigration, early cuts, failed to mention what he was gonna do with the police, nothing on Trident and no explanation as to why top earners are escaping inheritance tax (apologies if that detail is inaccurate).

Brown showed his experience and actually mentioned some figures but he doesnt represent the face of change so was also fighting a losing battle.

I think Clegg still held back on a few figures and things that he could have mentioned, though he always seemed to have less time with which to make his points. He also played it right in not getting involved in Cameron and Brown's petty squabbling - at first i wanted him to get in and be more vocal, but with hindsight i was wrong and his tactic of letting them battle it out then condeming them both while outlining LD policy was spot on.

[nemo]

Something that was pointed out to me earlier;

When David Cameron talked about the 'black man' he once met, 'even he thought immigration was out of control!'... even him, David, really?  Country must be over-run if even the wogs who aren't all that bad after all are getting ticked off about it, eh?

Anyway, back on point.  "I met a black man in Plymouth, he was 40 years old, came here when he was 6, says he loves Britain and he's been in the navy for 30 years..."

By which I take it we are employing child slaves from ethnic minorities in our armed forces?  Or was this another of his 'we need nuclear weapons so we can point them at China' moments?

[mooney]

Cameron got egged in my home town today. The local community are aweful proud!

[2NaFish]

thats a bad thing; now people will pity him and brown was relying on the pity vote. if the pity vote is halved then the tories will storm it.

[anythinggoes]

Is the Monster Raving Loony Party still active??

[mooney]

thats a bad thing; now people will pity him and brown was relying on the pity vote. if the pity vote is halved then the tories will storm it.

i know, ive been saying this to people all day. I might try and find Clegg, throw stuff at him just to regain some pity votes or something...

[nemo]

Going on Vinnie C's performance on the Daily Politics debate today (annihilated by Andrew Neil, out-argued by Alistair Darling and struggling to match George Osborne) I'm a tad worried perhaps the Libs haven't quite got used to the idea that now people are taking them seriously as a party they're actually gonna have to defend themselves a bit now and again.

Really Clegg should batter the other 2 all over the stage tomorrow on international affairs if the debate spends enough time focusing on the wars we're currently fighting.  If it goes the other way and the majority of the questions are based around the EU though, he could be in trouble.

[2NaFish]

brown will take a beating on foreign affairs over helicopters and gear, clegg will get laughed at for the euro.

but why listen to me? i'm an optimist.

[mooney]

brown will take a beating on foreign affairs over helicopters and gear, clegg will get laughed at for the euro.

but why listen to me? i'm an optimist.

i'm watching it now, you're prediction was a little off was it not, Mr Fish??

Clegg is getting hit with Trident (the other two are attacking him strongly), Cameron destroyed on Europe (and almost everything else), Brown doing pretty well, actually.

Cameron is having a nightmare - worse than last week i think. Brown much better - very close between him and Clegg, who is consistent with last weeks performance.

Experienced performance from Brown, but again, he doesn't represent the face of change, which is reflected in the polls atm.

EDIT: I think the Lib Dems immigration policy is very good - border control, entry/exit monitoring, regional distribution and the amnesty. It's one that Clegg will be targeted on and easily twisted, but i certainly think it's a strong policy of theirs.

views from others??