CYPRESS HILL's B-REAL On 'Chinese Democracy': 'That Shit Is Not GUNS N' ROSES'

[Ali]

Your just one those people who will always do as they're told. You'll do poor in life. Enjoy it while you love with mummy. Bye

Ha ha.  If you were even remotely informed enough to form that opinion, you would know how much utter crap that was.

It's not about doing what you're told, it's about being smart enough to realize what you can and cannot control and moving forward from there.  I choose to move forward and accept the reality of GN'R 2010, enjoy the great music and live shows, rather than waste energy on things that are completely out of my control, like whether or not the band is called Guns N' Roses.

Ali

[MrSnake]

It seems a bit churlish for a guy calling himself B-Real to bitch about the legitimacy of a band's name.

[madison]

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It's not about doing what you're told, it's about being smart enough to realize what you can and cannot control and moving forward from there.  I choose to move forward and accept the reality of GN'R 2010, enjoy the great music and live shows, rather than waste energy on things that are completely out of my control, like whether or not the band is called Guns N' Roses.

Ali

Nobody is questioning the quality of music being produced by Axl's current lineup. The music is great - maybe not on par with the AFD era - but still great.

But many people also recognize that this current lineup is Axl's solo band - not GNR.   As I mentioned in an earlier thread - you could pay a ton of bucks to change your name to the Queen of England, but that wouldn't make you the actual Queen of England.  Likewise, with GNR, if you change the entire lineup except for the lead singer, it's no longer GNR - the band that made the name the biggest band on the planet. The fact that you can't see that - or refuse to see it lest it offend Fernando & friends - is the point some people were making.

[Ali]

Nobody is questioning the quality of music being produced by Axl's current lineup. The music is great - maybe not on par with the AFD era - but still great.

But many people also recognize that this current lineup is Axl's solo band - not GNR.   As I mentioned in an earlier thread - you could pay a ton of bucks to change your name to the Queen of England, but that wouldn't make you the actual Queen of England.  Likewise, with GNR, if you change the entire lineup except for the lead singer, it's no longer GNR - the band that made the name the biggest band on the planet. The fact that you can't see that - or refuse to see it lest it offend Fernando & friends - is the point some people were making.

Apparently, you did not understand what I wrote, Madison.  You are arguing against a point I'm not making.  And the fact you think I'm unable to see what the general public does or does not think about the current incarnation of GN'R for whatever idiotic reason you come up with is, well, hilariously idiotic.  But, hey, somethings never change. 

I can see that this is not the same band as the one that started out with AFD.  That much is obvious.  A blind man could see that.  That isn't the point I'm making, though.  I'm saying it is irrelevant to whether or not the current band is called Guns N' Roses because Axl is the only making that call and he obviously doesn't care what the general public thinks.  If he did, he wouldn't still be calling this band Guns N' Roses.  Whether or not anyone chooses to accept this band as Guns N' Roses is up to them and them alone.  But, it won't change the reality of the situation, which is that this band is called Guns N' Roses.

Ali

[Reformed Terrorist]

Nobody is questioning the quality of music being produced by Axl's current lineup. The music is great - maybe not on par with the AFD era - but still great.

But many people also recognize that this current lineup is Axl's solo band - not GNR.   As I mentioned in an earlier thread - you could pay a ton of bucks to change your name to the Queen of England, but that wouldn't make you the actual Queen of England.  Likewise, with GNR, if you change the entire lineup except for the lead singer, it's no longer GNR - the band that made the name the biggest band on the planet. The fact that you can't see that - or refuse to see it lest it offend Fernando & friends - is the point some people were making.

GN'R is whatever Axl wants it to be. It is not Axl's solo project since he has always (well, most of the time) owned the name. No point in arguing here anyways.

The music is great - maybe not on par with the AFD era - but still great.

that's your opinion. That it has not the same style or sound doesn't mean it is not as good as AFD was. Just because other people don't know it exist or don't give it a chance doesn't mean it is not as good or even better. Do you like Jonas Brothers?

[LostInTheGarden]

Everything he said is true about the GNR name. Can't argue with that.  But it doesn't mean Axl's new lineup isn't producing great music - it just means it's not GNR.

I did disagree with his thoughts on AIC replacing Staley though.  Layne was irreplaceable in my opinion. To me, it's not AIC without Layne. It would be equivalent to Slash calling his solo album GNR.

i know it's not the point of this thread, but I have to disagree with you here. Allice in Chains is one of my favorite bands of all time. yes it's true that Layne was completely irreplaceable, he was and still is a total icon. He had one of the most beautiful, awesome voices I've ever heard and sang some of the most insightful, true and thought provoking songs to ever be written. That being sad, the primary songwriter and melody maker of aic was always jerry cantrell. He also sang about half of their material too, either alone (on a handful of songs), or with layne. While layne is easily the most outspoken and iconic figure in the band, jerry was the heart and soul of alice in chains in a meat and potatoes do-work-son kind of way, and imo after layne passed he has every right to continue the band he founded under the name Alice In Chains, or any other name he'd like. He is truly a remarkable artist in his own right, and duvall has done an admirable job of fronting the band and keeping layne's spirit alive at the live shows, and even the new album has grown on me over the last year or so.

as far as guns n roses goes many people are bound to have opinions just like the black guy in this interview. And if we want people to appreciate the new music, then they absolutely have to promote it. If you told me a few years ago that chi dem would be released, and 2 years later the majority of people who consider themselves to be rock fans would still be unaware of its existence at all I'd say you were crazy... but that is certainly the case. It's such a shame too because everyone I turn onto the album likes it, wether they are metal fans, rock n roll fans, or just friends or family members who don't avidly listen to music they all love better street of dreams, if the world... etc. so It's no doubt that with any kind of promotion at all... maybe some ads on mtv like a lot of bands get such as being featured on "the drop" or at least a little radio play ( i never heard anything except chinee democracy on radio where I live" they could be huge in the U.S again by now.

[LostInTheGarden]

only a retarded monkey can babble on and on about some band name. either listen to the music (which this random guy obviously didn't) or STFU

this thread is a barrell of retard monkeys then

[madison]

i know it's not the point of this thread, but I have to disagree with you here. Allice in Chains is one of my favorite bands of all time. yes it's true that Layne was completely irreplaceable, he was and still is a total icon. He had one of the most beautiful, awesome voices I've ever heard and sang some of the most insightful, true and thought provoking songs to ever be written. That being sad, the primary songwriter and melody maker of aic was always jerry cantrell. He also sang about half of their material too, either alone (on a handful of songs), or with layne. While layne is easily the most outspoken and iconic figure in the band, jerry was the heart and soul of alice in chains in a meat and potatoes do-work-son kind of way, and imo after layne passed he has every right to continue the band he founded under the name Alice In Chains, or any other name he'd like. He is truly a remarkable artist in his own right, and duvall has done an admirable job of fronting the band and keeping layne's spirit alive at the live shows, and even the new album has grown on me over the last year or so...

You made some good points.  I agree that Jerry was a big part of AIC and an awesome artist in his own right.  But I guess, for me, Layne was AIC, and I can't quite see the band without him.  .. It's like INXS - Michael Hutchence was an amazing frontman (I saw him live at least half a dozen times), and when he died, none of the replacements they tried worked.  It just wasn't INXS anymore no matter how well the replacement singers sang the old songs. jmo.

... if we want people to appreciate the new music, then they absolutely have to promote it. If you told me a few years ago that chi dem would be released, and 2 years later the majority of people who consider themselves to be rock fans would still be unaware of its existence at all I'd say you were crazy... but that is certainly the case. It's such a shame too because everyone I turn onto the album likes it, wether they are metal fans, rock n roll fans, or just friends or family members who don't avidly listen to music they all love better street of dreams, if the world... etc. so It's no doubt that with any kind of promotion at all... maybe some ads on mtv like a lot of bands get such as being featured on "the drop" or at least a little radio play ( i never heard anything except chinee democracy on radio where I live" they could be huge in the U.S again by now.

I totally agree.
If Axl had promoted the album - and did the press circuit - I think the album would have really took off in sales.  But with little marketing and zero promotion, it's extremely difficult to sell records in today's music scene.  It's a different era than the late 1980s and early 1990s - and marketing is key for any artist, regardless of how many records they've sold in the past.

[LostInTheGarden]

You made some good points.  I agree that Jerry was a big part of AIC and an awesome artist in his own right.  But I guess, for me, Layne was AIC, and I can't quite see the band without him.  .. It's like INXS - Michael Hutchence was an amazing frontman (I saw him live at least half a dozen times), and when he died, none of the replacements they tried worked.  It just wasn't INXS anymore no matter how well the replacement singers sang the old songs. jmo.

yeah, I can definitely see why you'd feel that way. I tink one of the big reasons why it does work for me is that when I saw them live, the band made it a point to honor and pay tribute to layne. I almost broke into tears when I heard Rain When I die. like, it literally touched me heart. and seeing how full of emotion jerry was gave me even more respect for him, and I'll root for him to succeed as long as I live. also, it helps that they waited years beforetrying to return and put a lot of thought into just who would replace their legendary frontman. llisten to "private Hell" off the new album, it might give you a new respect for the new version of the band, i mean cantrell is still on top of his game when it comes to songwriting its total vintage AIC. and if you get the chance to see them live... trust me you want to do it. i saw them at rock on the range and the crowd was soo in to it, and the band performed so well... one of the favorite performances I've attended ever

[BarryTheBastard]

Imagine Paul McCartney touring under the name "The Beatles"

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[2NaFish]

Imagine Paul McCartney touring under the name "The Beatles"

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nice dreadful analogy.

[AxlRoseCalifornia]

imagine Marilyn Manson touring without Marilyn Manson, that would be funny!

Imagine David Lee Roth touring as Van Halen lol!

its obviously not GNR, but i dont care because if you accept this is not GNR you can look through it and you can apreciate the good music Axl still does

[BarryTheBastard]

imagine Marilyn Manson touring without Marilyn Manson, that would be funny!

Imagine David Lee Roth touring as Van Halen lol!

its obviously not GNR, but i dont care because if you accept this is not GNR you can look through it and you can apreciate the good music Axl still does

This

[BarryTheBastard]

nice dreadful analogy.

So you don't see the similarity in that scenario? Ok :-)