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Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« on: August 17, 2010, 01:35:27 PM »
and start ww3 and take the US down with them

any thoughts?  hope i'm wrong.  but iran should be able to enrich uranium for nuclear power

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 01:47:57 PM »
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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 02:16:19 PM »
Well.. I'm sure no one in here cares. The faster israel and the US goes down the closer we are to world peace.

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 04:48:04 PM »
for someone with such a low opinion of women, you whine like a bitch with the painters in.

on topic, i've just bought a large milk which would've lasted me ages. bugger.
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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 05:16:20 PM »
Well.. I'm sure no one in here cares. The faster israel and the US goes down the closer we are to world peace.

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You seem to be growing a fairly impressive persecution complex over there sonny. 

I guess it would have fit with their defence strategy 30 years ago, now I'm not quite sure even that wingnut defence minister of theirs is dumb enough to actually do it.

Out of interest, do you expect them to bomb or nuke Iran?  Just so i know whether or not to book a flight to Vanuatu for Friday.

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 06:52:46 PM »
just bomb them at first, but iran or russia or someone will strike back, and draw the US into the war, things will escalate, wars in middle east indefinitely will sink the US and allies

i think it's more unlikely that they would use nukes first, but who know, israel is dying to pre-emptively strike someone

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 07:06:28 PM »
No they won't but it is no secret that the Saudi wants Iran out of the picture and would use the Israelis to do it which would also rally the muslim world and be a propaganda goldmine;

Saudi Arabia on Friday denied a report in French daily Le Figaro, according to which Kind Abdullah told the French Defense minister that "two states in the region do not deserve to exist: Israel and Iran".

A Saudi official told the government-controlled Saudi Press, "This is untrue altogether", and expressed bewilderment at the French paper's willingness to make such charges without verifying the details.

The official added that Saudi Arabia's position was "clear".

According to the Le Figaro report, King Abdullah made the comment during a June 5 meeting with French Defense Minister Herve Morin, just days after Israel's deadly takeover of a Gaza-bound flotilla.

The report emphasized that "military and diplomatic elements" confirmed that king did in fact make the comment.

Last month Saudi Arabia denied a report in the London Times that Riyadh was planning to allow Israel to use its airspace in order to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.

That is a lot of back coincendental peddling for a nation that has held the same views openly in the past.
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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2010, 09:36:20 AM »
Oh please fuckers.

I could care less about whining. When we're going down you guys say good, and when I point that out you guys say "quit bitching"?

So... down with America and they better not even say a word?

haha.. of course.

At least stick to your guns and hate it 100% and honestly instead of riding the fence.

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2010, 04:53:28 PM »
You don't read many of my posts, do you?  Like the ones where i call people who just want to bash America for being America idiots?  I criticise America de temps en temps because I hold it up to high standards.  It wants to be a beacon to the world, so the mission statement goes; if that's the case then it can't get there just by saying 'I'm the biggest dog in the yard, fucking admire me.'

But how exactly are you going to go down?  You could comfortably bomb the middle east into total oblivion 50 times over before they did any serious damage to you.  Or have we reverted back to the days pre the 1st Gulf War when half your population were convinced a ragtag bunch of 3rd world peasants had transformed themselves from a technical backwater that was unable, despite the support of the majority of the Western World, to defeat Iran in 8 years, in the space of 18 months, into the most deadly and technically advanced military force the world has ever seen?  Step away from the propaganda for a second, please.

In truth I can't think of anything more disastrous or distressing for me and the world I'd like to live in than a Muslim theocracy defeating America in a war.  Not because contemporary America is the world I want to live in, but because it has more chance of heading in the right direction than the alternative does. 

What the fuck sort of libertarian are you when you think any criticism of your country should be outlawed?  I can think of nothing in the world less libertarian than blinkered, unfettered, rabid, unquestioning nationalism.

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2010, 06:04:15 PM »
WHOA slow down nemo, don't insult libertarians by labeling him as one, he's straight up neo-con if anything

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2010, 06:09:53 PM »
WHOA slow down nemo, don't insult libertarians by labeling him as one, he's straight up neo-con if anything


I know that, but he does insist, in much the same way that the whole cult of Beck and Limbaugh end of the spectrum do these days, that he's not a conservative, not a Republican, but a freedom loving, independent, libertarian.

I believe this guy (who must be one of about 10 people who can actually accurately describe themselves as libertarian) finds them calling themselves libertarians even funnier than the way they in turn call him a Stalinist, a Nazi and an apologist for Pol Pot.

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2010, 12:15:56 AM »
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1075948/1/.html

Iran to launch first nuclear plant after decades of delay



TEHRAN: After decades of delay and sanctions, Iran will launch on Saturday its Russian-built first nuclear power plant in the face of Western suspicion that its atomic programme has a covert military agenda.

Iran's nuclear chief Ali Akbar Salehi said last week that "on August 21, the Russia-supplied fuel will be transferred inside the building in which the engine" of the Bushehr power station in southern Iran is located.

Salehi said the fuel transfer would be completed by September 5 and two weeks later the reactor would reach 50 per cent of its power-generating capacity, allowing it to be linked to the national grid.

"It will take six to seven months to reach the maximum power level of the plant," he added.

The much-anticipated launch of the more than one-billion-dollar Bushehr plant comes despite Moscow hardening its position on Iran's nuclear programme by backing a fourth round of UN sanctions against Tehran on June 9.

Iran is under sanctions because of its uranium enrichment programme which the West believes is aimed at making nuclear weapons, a charge Tehran strongly denies.

Iran said it is enriching uranium to power nuclear reactors which will eventually generate electricity of around 20,000 megawatts.

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov defended the plant, saying it would keep Iran firmly fixed to peaceful use of nuclear power.

"It is a most important anchor which keeps Iran within the regime of non-proliferation," he told reporters.

"It is fully protected from any proliferation risks whatsoever. This idea is shared by all the leaders of Western countries."

Work on the Bushehr plant, which is not targeted under UN or other global sanctions, first began in the 1970s under the rule of the US-backed shah using contractors from German firm Siemens.

But the project was shelved when the shah was toppled in the 1979 Islamic revolution, only to be revived a decade later under current supreme leader Ali Khamenei.

In 1994, Russia agreed to complete the construction and also fuel the plant after Siemens backed out.

But since then "technical problems" and squabbles between Moscow and Tehran have delayed completion of the facility, with the project further suffering from the controversy surrounding Iran's nuclear programme under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Fresh doubts over Bushehr were raised after Moscow voted for the latest UN sanctions, followed by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's remark that Tehran was close to attaining the potential to build a nuclear weapon.

It was the first time a Russian leader had spoken so bluntly of the dangers of Tehran's nuclear drive, especially since the Russian position has been that Iran has the right to peaceful nuclear energy.

After the latest sanctions, Iran's envoy to the UN atomic watchdog, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, accused Moscow of delaying Bushehr's commissioning.

"After Russia voted for the new sanctions against Iran at the UN Security Council, we reached the conclusion that the Kremlin's delay in launching the Bushehr power plant is politically motivated," he said.

"Of course there may exist some technical problems... but it is hard to believe that the technical issues continue to delay the completion of the plant over the past 15 years."

The Bushehr plant was always seen as a potential target in the event of a military strike by Iran's arch-foes the United States and Israel which have never ruled out military action against Tehran's nuclear programme.

On Tuesday, Salehi warned that "attacking an international plant is an international crime as the consequences will not be limited to the hosting country but will have a global aftermath."

He spoke a day after former US envoy to the United Nations John Bolton said Israel had lost the opportunity to attack the plant.

A sceptical Bolton, when asked by Fox Business Network about the possibility of an Israeli attack ahead of the plant's opening, said: "I don't think so, I'm afraid that they've lost this opportunity."

Bolton said Bushehr's launch meant Iran had achieved "something that no other opponent of Israel, no other enemy of the United States in the Middle East really has and that is a functioning nuclear reactor."

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2010, 01:02:59 PM »
Hey Nemo.. it isn't unlikely that the US could level the Mid East.. sure. But.. the world hates when we intervene in anything so.. where does that leave us?

I also strongly believe our current president will not back Israel too much and go to war with his own people. :shy:

What I'd like to happen is for EUROPE to finally start SETTING that example they like to preach about solving everything diplomatically. You guys have criticized the US forever and a day now while only uncrossing your arms to shake your finger at whatever we do.

Funny you say you don't want to live in a world where Muslim whatever rules. Why not? In other threads you say Islam is not a problem and that they're such good peace loving people who simply have it hard in life.

In regards to political group names..  I have my own ideas about things. Some of my opinions will fall to the left, others to the right. I don't try to say "conservatives think like this" and go with that script. I kind of look at everything on its own plate and see how I personally feel about it. Libertarian, from what I have read, matches best my view on how things should be run but thats it.

I don't care about group names or any of that other BS which we use to create verbal civil war amongst thinkers.

And now going back to you calling America the "beacon to the world". Thats not us. We're not #1 right? China rocks right? Russia rocks right? The UK rocks right?

Fucking rely on yourselves to guide yourselves. Its really easy for a critique to just sit back and Europeans do that shit best.

And if we ARE the beacon of the world.. then fuck you guys and WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!!

Choose.

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Re: Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2010, 01:56:56 PM »

Funny you say you don't want to live in a world where Muslim whatever rules. Why not? In other threads you say Islam is not a problem and that they're such good peace loving people who simply have it hard in life.

I believe I've said in plenty of other threads that all religions are a problem, I also said in another thread earlier this week that I would, in some regards, consider Islam in particular to be an enemy of the things I believe in and stand for, more so than other religions.  What I did say though, is that certain Muslim populations have been abused and trodden upon both by their religious leaders and us.  You do realise that 'Islam' is not 'all people living in Islamic countries, or even all muslims, right?  Take the Palestinians as an obvious example, we treat them like shit, Hamas treat them not much better a lot of the time, or the Iranians, or the Afghanis, these are people being fucked over by their own rulers.  We don't treat the Saudis like shit for other reasons (I believe the current official line is that their ruling class are moderates or some bullshit like that)

At the end of the day, Islam's a power structure, a way to control people and get them to think and act in a certain way, kinda like all religions and ideologies.  In that sense it's inherently dangerous, as I've stated consistently.

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And now going back to you calling America the "beacon to the world". Thats not us. We're not #1 right? China rocks right? Russia rocks right? The UK rocks right?

And at what point have I ever praised the attitude to the rest of the world of China or Russia?  You're inventing opinions of mine to whip yourself up into a state of moral indignation.  Why?

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And if we ARE the beacon of the world.. then fuck you guys and WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!! WE'RE #1!!!

Choose.

I believe you've confused the words 'beacon' and 'tyrant' there.  That's pretty impressive. 

Could you try having a discussion rather than just spouting hyperbole, lies and bullshit?

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The UK rocks right?

Fucking rely on yourselves to guide yourselves. Its really easy for a critique to just sit back and Europeans do that shit best.

I'd love to, unfortunately capital's a bit too mobile and power's a bit too concentrated in the hands of such a small group that it's essentially important for anyone to stand on their own and rely upon themselves these days.  To be honest, unless you're living in a tribe in the Amazon rainforest, or as a member of a Kibbutz somewhere, you're not doing it either.


 



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