Israel will bomb Iran before the week is over

[polar]

power structure, a way to control people and get them to think and act in a certain way, kinda like all religions and ideologies.  In that sense it's inherently dangerous, as I've stated consistently.

that's an intolerant and silly thing to say about religions and "ideologies"

next you'll probably say something like "capitalism relies on taking advantage of others" or something equally inane

[Iconic Shawn]

Ahh... good post Nemo. Seriously.

Honestly guys I'm hating how everything is more and more each day. We can talk about it all we want but it really seems like we're all just a bunch of surfs anyway just putting in our labor to keep the powerful kingdoms running. And within each kingdom we have different limits (rights).

I'd like to be able to build a fucking pirate ship and just set sail but I'd even get blown out of the water for sailing on someone elses line.

~S~

[nemo]

that's an intolerant and silly thing to say about religions and "ideologies"

next you'll probably say something like "capitalism relies on taking advantage of others" or something equally inane

To be honest, i typed up my entire reply except from that one line, was about to hit post, then thought I'd stick it in there just to see who'd react to it.  You made me proud.

But in truth, don't you think Islam, like other religions (and like other ideologies, Marxism as an example's almost as bad for this) works on indoctrinating people to believe a certain set of things and not challenge them or explore them further for themselves?  'We've got this book now, written by God you see, and everything in it's correct and to be obeyed because God said so, and if you disagree you're an apostate and we'll kill you.'  OK so Marxism doesn't tend to threaten to kill people who question its central ideas, but it does just shut someone out and essentially excommunicate them if they disagree with any of what was said too vehemently.

Ahh... good post Nemo. Seriously.

Honestly guys I'm hating how everything is more and more each day. We can talk about it all we want but it really seems like we're all just a bunch of surfs anyway just putting in our labor to keep the powerful kingdoms running. And within each kingdom we have different limits (rights).

And that's exactly what I'm talking about.  I think we just agreed on something...the world must have stopped turning or something!

[mooney]

Ahh... good post Nemo. Seriously.

Honestly guys I'm hating how everything is more and more each day. We can talk about it all we want but it really seems like we're all just a bunch of surfs anyway just putting in our labor to keep the powerful kingdoms running. And within each kingdom we have different limits (rights).

I'd like to be able to build a fucking pirate ship and just set sail but I'd even get blown out of the water for sailing on someone elses line.

~S~

i'm +'ing 1 to nemo's suprised reaction. that actaully amkes sense.

Im also sensing that there was an element of sarcasm in polar's reply about the religion bit of nemo's post...? i could be wrong, though i agree entirely with the notion.

[GGS]

'OK so Marxism doesn't tend to threaten to kill people who question its central ideas'

George Bernard Shaw Defends Hitler, Mass Murder

Class warfare is arguably the same thing as Jihad.

[GGS]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron

In the story, social equality has been achieved by handicapping the more intelligent, athletic or beautiful members of society. For example, strength is handicapped by the requirement to carry weight, beauty by the requirement to wear a mask and so on. This is due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th amendments to the United States Constitution. This process is central to the society, designed so that no one will feel inferior to anyone else. Handicapping is overseen by the United States Handicapper General, Diana Moon-Glampers.

Same end game as the stagnate dark age that religions inevitably lead to.


That is why i could no longer remain a socialist.

[Sean]

that's an intolerant and silly thing to say about religions and "ideologies"

next you'll probably say something like "capitalism relies on taking advantage of others" or something equally inane

away from the religious side at the heart of opinion...  I'd like to think he was simply pointing out the problems with globalization of politics which involves religion and yes of course irresponsible capitalism to separate classes and what not for the one dimensional structure power hording in the response to Iconics claim to nemo simply making a statement of Islam is good or bad. Saudis ...   why we aren't talking about them?  right we have so many "agreements" with them $$$$$ they are moderate businessmen .... ....   you want to talk about kissing Muslim ass Iconic?  This is what wars are made from:



no voice editing here or photoshop or conspiracy theory.

[polar]

my homie ron paul got it right with this quote:



“Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

“In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

EDIT: this post was about the ground zero mosque, i put it in the wrong thread, oh well u get the point

[polar]

'OK so Marxism doesn't tend to threaten to kill people who question its central ideas'

George Bernard Shaw Defends Hitler, Mass Murder

Class warfare is arguably the same thing as Jihad.

nice video i enjoyed it and hadn't seen that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron

In the story, social equality has been achieved by handicapping the more intelligent, athletic or beautiful members of society. For example, strength is handicapped by the requirement to carry weight, beauty by the requirement to wear a mask and so on. This is due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th amendments to the United States Constitution. This process is central to the society, designed so that no one will feel inferior to anyone else. Handicapping is overseen by the United States Handicapper General, Diana Moon-Glampers.

Same end game as the stagnate dark age that religions inevitably lead to.


That is why i could no longer remain a socialist.

2 good posts in a row i will add it to my reading list

[nemo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron

In the story, social equality has been achieved by handicapping the more intelligent, athletic or beautiful members of society. For example, strength is handicapped by the requirement to carry weight, beauty by the requirement to wear a mask and so on. This is due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th amendments to the United States Constitution. This process is central to the society, designed so that no one will feel inferior to anyone else. Handicapping is overseen by the United States Handicapper General, Diana Moon-Glampers.

Same end game as the stagnate dark age that religions inevitably lead to.


That is why i could no longer remain a socialist.

It's a great story, I'll give you that.  Twas written by a lifelong socialist though.   One so reviled by the right wing in fact that they couldn't resist attacking him and his politics in the obituaries that appeared on the day he died.

And one who described the story thus: "It's about intelligence and talent, and wealth is not a demonstration of either one,"  There's a difference between an attack on social darwinism and an attack on Socialism.

This kinda reminds me of the way that during the Cold War, print editions of Orwell's Animal Farm contained a quote from his essay Why I Write:

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."  obviously you can't have books appearing calling for socialism when you're fighting against the evil commies though, so instead you describe the book as an attack on socialism and modify the quote a little bit to fit the message you want to project.  Here's what actually appeared in the book: 

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism..."

Message achieved.  To this day there are a million and one idiots who insist Animal Farm is a powerful argument against socialism.

[GGS]

I agree with you nemo, the right wing can't fix the problem but i can no longer labour under the illusion that the left can either.

I admit socialism could be a perfect ideology if we weren't human.

The same can be said of the religions and capitalism everyone has a perfect system that everyone else should follow even if they recognise the flaws of said system like Orwell, the believers who pretend certain parts of their books don't exist, Buffett etc. etc.

Sean is right as well it is too late to cry about the Saudis when they've played the game capitalism like everyone else and are doing well.

Anyone can rig the system in capitalism so we can't just change the rules once others start having a
good turn and we're in the shitter.

Anyone from the left or right promising miracles is selling people snake oils, I knew Obama was a charlatan once i saw Soros was the power behind the curtain.

Super capitalist Soros the man who almost  brought down communism single handely has supposedly had a damascus conversion to Socialism in his old age.........yeah right, their is an angle in it for old George to profit from all this somewhere.

[polar]

I admit socialism could be a perfect ideology if we weren't human.

or if you didn't care about the standard of living or advancing society to the next level

The same can be said of the religions and capitalism everyone has a perfect system that everyone else should follow even if they recognise the flaws of said system like Orwell, the believers who pretend certain parts of their books don't exist, Buffett etc. etc.

i don't get it, is there something wrong, shady, or immoral about the way warren buffet made his money?

Sean is right as well it is too late to cry about the Saudis when they've played the game capitalism like everyone else and are doing well.

Anyone can rig the system in capitalism so we can't just change the rules once others start having a
good turn and we're in the shitter.

the world needs oil, the saudis have a lot of what we need, that's supply and demand.  i would love to see opec fall and faggots like hugo chavez and all those human-rights-violating-camel jockeys would be ass raped in about 10 minutes without it.... you want to get rid of those bad guys, invent a battery... you know, let the private sector prosper

as far as changing the rules in capitalism, i think you're complaining about keynesian economics and all that govt intervention which caused so many problems in my country.  if capitalism had been allowed to work, and politicians were out of the picture, we'd have never had the housing crisis or this recession/impending depression

Anyone from the left or right promising miracles is selling people snake oils, I knew Obama was a charlatan once i saw Soros was the power behind the curtain.

i could say a lot about how bad the obama administration and soros are, but it would take me a half hour or more to type out even the broad strokes

[GGS]

Religion and socialism ulitmately stagnate like a body dying from cancer, Capitalism requires or can be forced to make the body to flatline and be resuscitated back to life.

Capitalism has never been a ever expanding bubble it's always had to burst periodically or stop and start again as a simplier way to put it but it's also true that it can be forced to crash.

Regardless of what system you choose to follow their will always be suffering and winners and losers.

The imans, rabbis and popes who live the high life compared to the worshippers. The kings with their harems compared to the simpleton camel jockey with his wife.

The more equal than equal leader comrades

The rich and the poor

I have no problem how Warren Buffett made his money but he obviously seems guilty about it for some reason...

the world needs oil, the saudis have a lot of what we need, that's supply and demand.  i would love to see opec fall and faggots like hugo chavez and all those human-rights-violating-camel jockeys would be ass raped in about 10 minutes without it.... you want to get rid of those bad guys, invent a battery... you know, let the private sector prosper

The world got on fine before oil and will get on fine long after it's gone. I am curious though why the USA funds both sides of the global warming arguement though and has the patents for it.

as far as changing the rules in capitalism, i think you're complaining about keynesian economics and all that govt intervention which caused so many problems in my country.  if capitalism had been allowed to work, and politicians were out of the picture, we'd have never had the housing crisis or this recession/impending depression

Ala Friedrich Hayek.

Again you have to look at who ultimately benefits from the actions taken. Who benefits from the rules of capitalism being re-written? certainely not the people.



i could say a lot about how bad the obama administration and soros are, but it would take me a half hour or more to type out even the broad strokes
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Soros wants and i qoute:

'The bulk of his enormous winnings is now devoted to encouraging transitional and emerging nations to become 'open societies,' open not only in the sense of freedom of commerce but—more important—tolerant of new ideas and different modes of thinking and behavior.'

He wants the change the rules of the game, he wants to play poker with everyone showing their cards on the table, part of me thinks Soros doesn't want his legacy surpassed and he is now closing the path behind him so no one can follow.

Soros crashed communism in Eastern Europe in his younger days and then bought up all the prime pickings of land the commies had seized and 're-distributed' at rock bottom prices from the Politburos he bankrupted and then profited later.

If anyone wants to be a conspiracy theorist think who has benefitted from the bubble bursting forced or not:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/mar/09/china-federal-deficit-us-america-debt

[_Flame Trees_]

Religion... ulitmately stagnate like a body dying from cancer,

what makes you think that?