The Anti-cancer diet

[Miss Andrea]

ease up on the defensiveness, hombre.

it's not defensiveness. the only thing that bothered me was that you used the  word "pseudo science" which in my vocabulary means bullshit, mumbo jumbo, etc. I thought I had shownseveral proofs that it was not "pseudo" and it was true science.


the other sneering little comments were also kinda annoying, when I all I was doing was quoting phrases from true scientific books, Im not a charlatan

[blueheart]

I am not a scientist or anything like that but I read a lot about health and food. Thanks for posting this.

I recently saw a presentation from Dr. William Harris.  According to Dr Harris, there are at least six common types of cancer, correlate with the consumption of meat and animal based food. There is a modest negative correlation with these cancers and the consumption of plant based food (following a vegetarian/ vegan diet).

You can read more here: http://www.vegsource.com/harris/cancer_vegdiet.htm

[2NaFish]

it's not defensiveness. the only thing that bothered me was that you used the  word "pseudo science" which in my vocabulary means bullshit, mumbo jumbo, etc. I thought I had shownseveral proofs that it was not "pseudo" and it was true science.


the other sneering little comments were also kinda annoying, when I all I was doing was quoting phrases from true scientific books, Im not a charlatan

its charlatanism. its pseudo science. you get defensive. as polar said, it takes whatever fits its own view and ignores that which doesnt.

Your opening post states very clearly you have a vested interest in this and explains why you get defensive. Clearly you're worried and dont want to be told that people dont agree with you.

[GGS]

If you want to know the main causes of cancer look no further than plastics.

[Miss Andrea]

its charlatanism. its pseudo science.

and the links you posted are not, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. whatever, I posted a poor summarise of only 1 chapter that doesnt even make justice to the whole material. To discredit a book or a theory written by true scientists without even having read  it is a quite subjective/biased/arrogant/close minded/stubborn attitude.

Clearly you're worried and dont want to be told that people dont agree with you.

I dont care if people dont agree with me as long as they post sound arguments. Just like I wouldnt mind posting Pseudo science or trials which are still in the experimental stage (like the Escozul for instance), but of course, I would warn that it is what it is, label it as pseudo/ experimental/ whatever, etc. But labeling a pseudo or experimental scientific breakthrough as official and scientific is wrong, just like the other way round is. That was my point all the time long.

 but I  like that people kept on posting info in this thread and left many subjects handy for those interested in the matter, who can paste links/words/sources in google and carry out a further investigation about this all.

[newshoes]

omg 

[Miss Andrea]

I'm not like those people who go into vegetarian diets or things alike without the approval of a doctor, so to reassure myself about being on the right track, I went to see a nutritionist and I asked her about all the foods this book recommends.

She said, "it's all good, yeah. But I have- and use- another book called "Foods to fight cancer" which is more complete". This delighted me, cause the anti cancer advices on food are based on the researches published on that same book, so it confirmed that I was not getting my father into mumbo jumbo bullshit and doctors used it as a reference.

What trully disappointed me, was the diet she provided him with. cause it removed most of the healthy or "curative" foods, like mushrooms, raw fruits and vegetables, and the daily orange juice at breakfast cause they might upset his stomach which is quite delicate due to the chemio. So there was nothing left that would benefit his * due to the chemio almost inexistent * immune system. She allowed him to consume all that stuff only during the chemio breaks.

Then, my mother went to see a well known and respectable oncologist who's chief of the Oncologist department of Flenni hospital (the most important of the country) and she also asked him (among many other things) about the diet. He said that the addition of these foods to the diet isnt too beneficial cause we consume them in small quantities. In order to obtain real effects on our health we should take significant amounts of them, that is why most of these products are sold in capsules or in mixtures to spare patients from tasting large amounts of, sometimes, ugly ingredients. So he advised her to buy Curcumin 400. Curcumine is the component of turmeric that has an anti-cancer effect according to David Servan Screiber and many other scientists. He said that his patients import it from abroad and it is very good against cancer and doesnt interfer with the chemio nor rays, but he explained no further than that. Then doing my little research I found the product he meant and I found all this:

Life Extension Super Bio-Curcumin absorbs up to seven times better than conventional curcumin.* So this patent-pending formula represents a cost-effective way to supplement with this critical nutrient.

Support for healthy lipid profile, bowel and joint functions*

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Curcumin is impressing scientists around the world with its remarkable multiple health benefits. Curcumin is a polyphenol present in the spice turmeric and was first used by Indians over 3000 years ago in traditional Ayurvedic medicine.

Modern science has found that curcumin has remarkable antioxidative, immunomodulatory, proapoptotic, and antiangiogenic properties.(54-57) Curcumin is also found to increase detoxifying enzymes and promote healthy DNA function.(58)

New studies have tied inflammation to overexpression of a protein molecule called nuclear factor-kappa B (NF-kappaB). NF-kappaB acts like a switch to turn on genes that produce the bodys inflammatory responses. Because NF-kappaBs expression increases in aging adults, scientists have sought ways to modulate NF-kappaB and its effects in the body.

Curcumin has been shown to exert powerful inhibitory effects on NF-kappaB activation within the body.(59) Curcumin inhibits overexpression of NF-kappaB. In addition, curcumin inhibits the metabolism of arachidonic acid, as well as activities of cyclooxygenase, lipoxygenase, and cytokines (interleukins and tumor necrosis factor).(60)

Other clinical trials suggest roles for curcumin in helping maintain healthy lipid profile, bowel, and joint functions.(61,62) Curcumin can also help maintain normal healthy platelet function,(63-66) and have immunomodulatory effects by inhibiting histamine release from mast cells.(67)

Curcumin may effectively rescue pancreatic islets from damage, the cause of deficient insulin production, without affecting the normal function of these cellular structures.(68) Curcumins multifaceted effects include protecting against estrogen-mimicking chemicals, protecting against damaging free radicals, and promoting normal cell cycle growth.

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Each 400mg capsule of Super Bio-Curcumin® is equivalent to 2,772mg of a typical 95% curcumin extract.

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BCM-95® Bio-Curcumin® 400mg
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Other Ingredients: vegetable cellulose (capsule), rice flour, silica, vegetable stearate. Contains rice.
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References:
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70. A novel bioenhanced preparation of curcuminoids. Study submitted for publication, 2007.

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People who are into macrobiotics or ayurvedic medicine consume really large amounts of all these foods to make them work properly. For instance, in order to get the anti-bacterial properties of garlic, they take a whole clove mixed with honey in the mroning for breakfast.

Interesting.

[smithpaul]

I also Reade the article, that was really very informative.  yes its true Cancer cells do not behave like normal cells. They refuse to die after a certain number of divisions, and they poison the tissues around them with chemical substances, creating inflammation, which they need to sustain their growth. in short these cells decrease the consumption power of human body.

[Sean]

   wow  I woke up first thing to read this thread.  Never seen it....  January and February were difficult months for time so.

andy I thought you presented yourself well. I don't think you are yelling 'cancer cure'.  IMO I agree with your posts.   

So as you see, it’s not like “everything produces cancer and everything reduces cancer”, in any case, many things produce cancer, but we also have the tools to counteract it. And even though I do notice there’re some similarities in those links and the info given in the book, I still think it is much better to know Why and How nature works that way. So from a biological point of view, the book is also highly informative and explicative.

well said. I look at the Greeks 'mostly old school but still current traditional' Greeks and what they eat... and how they used to stick to the 'Mediterranean' types of living (I won't say diet as it may confuse some).   and involves much or most of the foods you listed = strongest in Greece and Spain because people in these countries followed a genuine Mediterranean diet are the longest living people.

olive oil for their fats/omega that they use with everything (even to cook simple things)  imho and other fruits and veggies that are traditionally and culturally shared upon in the race is a factor.

.....    with that said and I think its all good. If you are going to fight something that you already have....  quantities of it is my main question. Which you addressed a bit.

 I also have dealt with immune system issues my whole life, I'd get sick really easy mostly chronic sinusitis  and respiratory illness /asthma. Have been times when I been on antibiotics for years and years straight and painful.  I have had major surgeries on my sinus, not nose, actually up in my head and face.  but I drastically see a change of onset and drastically get less infections  by following a good/better diet.  I fight infections before they can hit hard by using Garlic in certain ways and other tricks.

Also in 2000 I got in a situation that left me with a total of 6 herniation's throughout my back and neck. I have had pain everyday since to now. by 2002 because of less movement etc, rehabilitation etc and doctors telling me I wouldn't ever be able to even swing a baseball bat again. (some of the older members might remember my rantings during that time, I couldn't even play guitar).  I got fat to 220 pounds.  This is when with a bit more exercise and changing towards a Mediterranean diet ... in 6 months  I got down to 160 pounds. Lost 60 fucking pounds.  Today I weigh 169 pounds, but it healthier pounds yo. and now moving to Greece I stick more to the MED diet even more and ignore the current younger fat generation of foods lol (as globalization of USA and UK are outreaching fast foods here people% eat a lot worse than used to).  BTW I play baseball and one of the best on my team, highest batting average in a competitive league. I am living proof that self research and preservation for health pays off going against doctors words and expectations even. I feel better today than 10 years ago.  but its a fight but also a learning a way of living.

Sometimes I slip or am human.. or Irish or something....  I like to drink, I like junkfood,  but I always know where to stand back up.     diet plays a huge role in my life. :p

Thanks for your input