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Re: $10 preemie preventive now $1,500
« Reply #126 on: March 22, 2011, 12:38:38 AM »
nemo can you please show me an example of a free market monopoly that doesn't exist without government making it a monopoly?


here you go nemo, i found the answer for you

Milton Friedman - Monopoly


even though i can't fully get behind milton friedman because he supports a negative income tax, he nailed this one, as did I

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Re: $10 preemie preventive now $1,500
« Reply #127 on: March 22, 2011, 07:36:37 AM »
you do remember I outlined my position as essentially anarcho-syndicalist

i remember you posting a wiki link about anarcho-syndicalism. like you said, it was pretty underwhleming; it seemed to say a lot without saying anything. could you explain to me what an anarcho-syndicalist world (or maybe community would be easier) would look like?

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Re: $10 preemie preventive now $1,500
« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2011, 05:27:07 PM »
Mostly purple, with more polar bears.

I'm not sure what you're wanting from me here exactly, I'm not gonna write up an anarcho-syndicalist version of The Republic or anything.

What do you want to know?  People work together, without, to as large a degree as possible, the interference or involvement of government, but with the aim of creating a co-operative society in which everyone is taken care of and allowed the opportunity to find meaningful work without an elevated 'owner' class trying to make a profit by maintaining the surplus value in what is produced.

That's the general principle behind it anyway, industry is not privately, but co-operatively owned.  Whether or not it works in principle is a different matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

Kibbutzims began as a rough enacting of the principles, though they've somewhat drifted away from it now, and tended often to be quite nostalgic and based on the idea of a romanticised pre-industrial humanity that we're never going to get back (and most of us probably don't want to get back).  The obvious enabling qualities of means of long distance communication these days mean that while some communities will still be based around a geographical point (i.e. people who live near one another) it's also now possible to form communities or co-operatives based around the production of ideas; something like wikipedia is an approximation of anarcho-syndicalist principles in theory (and often in practice, see for example the community's ability to stop Jimmy Wales from making ammendments to the article about himself).


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Re: $10 preemie preventive now $1,500
« Reply #129 on: March 22, 2011, 05:31:32 PM »
nemo, you can have as many cooperatively owned business as you can handle in my free market scenario

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Re: $10 preemie preventive now $1,500
« Reply #130 on: March 23, 2011, 02:13:15 AM »
Mostly purple, with more polar bears.

I'm not sure what you're wanting from me here exactly,

i just wanted a brief summary i could understand, which you gave so thanks

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Re: $10 preemie preventive now $1,500
« Reply #131 on: March 26, 2011, 05:32:38 PM »
Stéphane Courtois a French historian, an internationally known expert on communist studies states that;
“Communist regimes…turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government”.
He also cites a death toll which totals 94 million, not counting the “excess deaths” due to decrease of the population due to lower than-expected birth rates.

The breakdown of the number of deaths given by Courtois is as follows:

65 million in the People’s Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America
10,000 deaths “resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power.”

Courtois claims that Communist regimes are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement, including Nazism. The statistics of victims includes executions, intentional destruction of population by starvation, and deaths resulting from deportations, physical confinement, or through forced labor.

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