France banned the Burqa/Niqab

[anythinggoes]

a cyber dick measuring contest and im not involved? 2na is a sad pony.

for anyone concerned with protecting the rights of women i assume you'll also want bikinis to be banned.

 Not till we get photos of Karin in a micro bikini

[anythinggoes]

And Rocket Queen too

[polar]

...... No. It is not a tiny fraction of Muslims that speak out about radical muslims/terrorists. There are a lot that strongly disagree with them. They do not believe that they are truly Muslim. People need to understand that these things are highly cultural in the region where it was founded, it has little to do with Islam. Sharia is different. You don't have the Sharia laws in a lot of places anyway.

So you say disregard the constitution? I am not defending the KKK, I am defending their right to speak and associate. There is a big difference. Difficult to support a democracy if you don't support freedom of speech. Was it written by a bunch of pro slavery white men who fucked their slaves on a regular? Sure, I of course believe it was. But the constitution has been amended and as long as we have it, it is the Supreme law of the land, and must be followed. If not it is useless.

We can get down into debates about how the Constitution is interpreted, but that is a whole different thread, I'd love to discuss. Many people argue that the right to bear arms was not meant the way people interpret it today, but what do I know? It is there, I believe we need gun regulation, but that again is opinion. As far as freedom of speech, you'd think it would be pretty straight forward; of course it is not. The Supreme Court ruled that spending is considered speech, so I now live in a country where money is protected under freedom of speech, excellent, corruption in this country is now legal, therefor not really corruption. Confusing innit. I personally find this definition laughable, but if the Supreme Court says it is so, it is so, until we amend the constitution, which I don't see happening as this is an oligarchy with only 7 or so different president families since it was founded, and the fact that Congressmen own like 80% of the pharmaceutical companies, people profit off of diseases and they make bank from legislating "for profit" prisons where people are held longer so they can make more moneys.

As for cutting off hands, yes Sharia has the (what I think is barbaric) eye for an eye solution for everything. However Sharia also requires every Muslim to pay 2% of their earnings to charity, so people that cannot afford food or housing will get help. Ideally (in eutopia, supposedly Saudi has a good charity system, but I've never seen it myself, so I'll be careful claiming it works) no one will need to steal, because they have all bare necessities. If you do, they cut off your hand. I don't agree with this. Of course. But what works for me, does not work for everybody. And in theory, if it is pure Sharia law, no one needs to steal, because the charity system provides them with all necessities. It is ok to be against something that is different. Like most you don't understand "the other ones", and that is perfectly normal, we think we are better. I just try to see the world with that in mind. Different morals, different cultural backgrounds, different practices. Not better or worse.

which part am i supposed to be debating exactly?  if you challenged me on a point i made i must be missing it

[antonyrose]

I like how you fliped your opinion on the subject RQ

 

I understand what they're trying to do = protect woman's rights. They're passing a ban on Niqabs/Burqa's, which covers the entire body and face of women, just a little glip for the eyes, Burqa's even covers their eyes, just leaves tiny holes.

Women are forced by their husbands and family to wear them, but I doubt that this law will do much good to change ancient culture.

 That's just the ethical perspective, you've got to consider that these women are hard to identify etc. I wouldn't want some guy walking into my store with a hoodie, cap and something covering his face, that's usually bad news.... If I want to identify you, how would I do that?

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[Rocket Queen]

I didn't flip my opinion. I do not like the niqabs. I do believe a lot of women feel like they have to wear them. But not all, and even if all felt compelled to wear them, it doesn't change anything if we force them to take it off.

I still don't think you should tell people what to wear, and I still don't think it will change anyone's view on their wives/sisters. It's the wrong approach. And everything becomes more difficult when there's religion involved, and  people see it as a religious law.

[badfaulkner]

I'll respost this:  it's a moot point in many of the United States, as there are already laws forbidding masks/disguises in public due to the KKK Acts of 1871.  Our state's code of laws has a particular statute that goes into great depths on this.

If Muslims were allowed to cover up, the klan and other terrorist organizations would seize the opportunity to do the same.  Law for all or law for none but no double standards, please.  My opinion isn't defending the Klan but the rule of law for all (the rule of law). 

[dman1991]

Antony nice find, but I have to ask, how many niqab attacks have occured in the US or France? Im sure if one happens then captain hindsight will be all over it, but as of right now, the only attacks on the us by terrorist groups have been by people in plain clothes. I think your whole get out if you dont like it thing is where the disagreement is here, and I also have the belief that eventually if we allow our right to be stripped over pre-crime then eventually we will have barcodes inked on our neck or forearms.

[dman1991]

I'll respost this:  it's a moot point in many of the United States, as there are already laws forbidding masks/disguises in public due to the KKK Acts of 1871.  Our state's code of laws has a particular statute that goes into great depths on this.

If Muslims were allowed to cover up, the klan and other terrorist organizations would seize the opportunity to do the same.  Law for all or law for none but no double standards, please.  My opinion isn't defending the Klan but the rule of law for all (the rule of law). 

Now there is something with some substance. If the KKK cant wear hoods, then why should I be able to, is everyone in a hood a terrorist? Is halloween soon to be outlawed? Well for one I am not in the kkk. Its a touchy subject I suppose. But yes, if they are going to ban something for that reason, then it should apply to everyone.

[polar]

which part am i supposed to be debating exactly?  if you challenged me on a point i made i must be missing it

  didn't think so, just wanted to make sure

[antonyrose]

Antony nice find, but I have to ask, how many niqab attacks have occured in the US or France? Im sure if one happens then captain hindsight will be all over it, but as of right now, the only attacks on the us by terrorist groups have been by people in plain clothes. I think your whole get out if you dont like it thing is where the disagreement is here, and I also have the belief that eventually if we allow our right to be stripped over pre-crime then eventually we will have barcodes inked on our neck or forearms.

  I get what you are saying, I guess I could have explained what I was trying to say differently and gotten to the point I was trying make alot sooner. 

[Rocket Queen]

  didn't think so, just wanted to make sure

I'll just assume yet again that we are completely agreeing.

It's finals week, gimme a break son.