Is Libya the new Iraq?

[polar]

Why is it a retarded logic? Well done in finding an article on the internet to back up your claims. Would you like a sweetie?

You need to accept the fact that someone believes differently to you.

actually i don't have a horse in this race, i was helping mooney...  however, it's not some "internet article" rofl, it's called logic.  i could care less what you believe, the fact is you can't back up your opinion using a rational argument

you can't just say something is true because you say so.  but i do like your ad hominem rebuttal.  let me guess, i made that up too

[sunnyp]

actually i don't have a horse in this race, i was helping mooney...  however, it's not some "internet article" rofl, it's called logic.  i could care less what you believe, the fact is you can't back up your opinion using a rational argument

you can't just say something is true because you say so.  but i do like your ad hominem rebuttal.  let me guess, i made that up too

You aren't from this planet, are you?

Have you read my comments justified by rational argument? In my mind, it's true, so therefore it exists. If you don't like, I don't care. You haven't even presented our side of the argument, but you accuse me of not being able to create a rebuttal. You've swaggered in, tried to insult me, and then said I can't argue. To me, that just sounds like a person who wants to pick a fight rather than have a meaningful debate.

Like I said in the other topic. You're always right. Everyone else is always wrong.

I'm going out to enjoy the nice weather. I've got better things to do than try and exchange opinions over the internet with a person who only wants to pick a fight. 

[polar]

You aren't from this planet, are you?

Have you read my comments justified by rational argument? In my mind, it's true, so therefore it exists. If you don't like, I don't care. You haven't even presented our side of the argument, but you accuse me of not being able to create a rebuttal. You've swaggered in, tried to insult me, and then said I can't argue. To me, that just sounds like a person who wants to pick a fight rather than have a meaningful debate.

Like I said in the other topic. You're always right. Everyone else is always wrong.

I'm going out to enjoy the nice weather. I've got better things to do than try and exchange opinions over the internet with a person who only wants to pick a fight. 

i'm trying to help you.  look, before you post from now on, read your own argument, then check it against this list http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

get to know and memorize those 42 definitions.  that would be a really good start to helping you defend your position in any discussion.  after you've mastered those, i'll give you more.

oh add this one too since you think it's made up : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs oh and this too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[2NaFish]

On topic please, y'all.

It was almost a very decent debate as well, which is why it'd be a shame for it to drift off.

[sunnyp]

i'm trying to help you.  look, before you post from now on, read your own argument, then check it against this list http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

get to know and memorize those 42 definitions.  that would be a really good start to helping you defend your position in any discussion.  after you've mastered those, i'll give you more.

oh add this one too since you think it's made up : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs oh and this too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

I don't want your "help". I'm perfectly happy as I am. Go and patronise someone else. I am entitled to my own opinion and I will defend it as if it were fact. It seems like you trawl these pages looking for my posts simply so you can disagree with them. Very sad.

Back on topic. Seems that the Libyan football team has defected. That must be a real blow to the regime.

[2NaFish]

Back on topic. Seems that the Libyan football team has defected. That must be a real blow to the regime.

dont know if you're being funny or not, but it cant be helpful. How many folk change their haircut to copy beckham? Its made even worse if you consider the averae joe probably spends more time thinking about their hair than they do thinking about politics. Also, there are no politicians with great hair. Coincidence?

Anyway, i doubt it'll be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

[dman1991]

I hear what you're saying. I actually agree with your extended argument.

However, if a lunatic decides to run into a crowded marketplace and detonate a suicide belt, whose fault is it? I still fail to see how it's ours. We are not responsible for the actions of radical islam. It's too simplistic to say that we are ultimately responsible for the criminally insane / radically motivated. We, no doubt, fuel them, but the way in which they express it is, ultimately, their prerogative.

 

Not sure if we are responsible, but I struggle to understand how people get to the point where they would rather blow themselves up than live, or how they rationale that blowing themselves up around other people is helping humanity. If I experienced a soldier  killing my child, Im not sure how I would react either.

[polar]

I don't want your "help". I'm perfectly happy as I am. Go and patronise someone else. I am entitled to my own opinion and I will defend it as if it were fact. It seems like you trawl these pages looking for my posts simply so you can disagree with them. Very sad.

Back on topic. Seems that the Libyan football team has defected. That must be a real blow to the regime.

ah ok, my bad, didn't realize we were doing it like that now.

ok, back on topic.

fact:  obama is heavily involved in libya
fact:  obama is a muslim president, he wouldn't do anything to hurt other muslims
fact:  everything we (NATO) do in the middle east is a holy war for oil, since you either worship one of the other
fact:  being over there helps them poor sand people
fact:  NATO/UN/US/UK/etc has never hurt anyone who wasn't a terrorist, it was obvious those sand people moved there mud huts AFTER we fired the missle from the drones.  not our fault

i'll try to dig up a cool youtube video of some new yorker shouting

man this thread just got so much easier, in my mind it's true, therefore it exists.  hell, even if my own mind doesn't believe it, it exists.

i'm just glad i don't have to fact check or trawl any more!

[mooney]

Yeah, totally. I'm not arguing with you on that. I'm just presenting an alternative.

I fucking hate the politician's rationale on a moral and ethical level. However, it is factually true. It is not a justification to continue, but it might explain how we've arrived in the situation we find ourselves in.

undoubtably true that there are costs to us. However, there doesn't have to be. While the costs to us are tiny in comparison, that doesnt make it ok. I'd like to see people's reaction to dead Afghan women being paraded down wootten bassett. Might make people think twice before "supporting our troops", which is basically a propaganda campaign designed to deflect from the real issue and have the ultimate effect of "support our policy".

[sunnyp]

dont know if you're being funny or not, but it cant be helpful. How many folk change their haircut to copy beckham? Its made even worse if you consider the averae joe probably spends more time thinking about their hair than they do thinking about politics. Also, there are no politicians with great hair. Coincidence?

Anyway, i doubt it'll be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

I'm fairly sure the average Libyan has more to worry about than what their football team thinks. I'm sure you won't find many people swayed by the comments in next month's Libyan version of "shoot" magazine.

I'm sure they have more pressing issues at hand. For example, am I going to get shot or blown up today?

Anyway, I'm sure Ghadafi has more to worry about now the International Criminal Court have an arrest warrant out for him.

[sunnyp]

ah ok, my bad, didn't realize we were doing it like that now.

ok, back on topic.

fact:  obama is heavily involved in libya
fact:  obama is a muslim president, he wouldn't do anything to hurt other muslims
fact:  everything we (NATO) do in the middle east is a holy war for oil, since you either worship one of the other
fact:  being over there helps them poor sand people
fact:  NATO/UN/US/UK/etc has never hurt anyone who wasn't a terrorist, it was obvious those sand people moved there mud huts AFTER we fired the missle from the drones.  not our fault

i'll try to dig up a cool youtube video of some new yorker shouting

man this thread just got so much easier, in my mind it's true, therefore it exists.  hell, even if my own mind doesn't believe it, it exists.

i'm just glad i don't have to fact check or trawl any more!

That's the spirit. There are a million ways to interpret a given situation. The world would be so boring if we all thought the same way.

[polar]

That's the spirit. There are a million ways to interpret a given situation. The world would be so boring if we all thought the same way.

yeah but basing your pov on logical fallacy and then playing victim like your opinion is being suppressed, and that's pretty laughable.  just because you're too dumb to defend your opinion using a rational argument doesn't make your pov wrong, but it does make you look silly

"If there are no valid philosophies, then all belief systems are irrational. If reason cannot arrive at the truth, then any claim to the truth is "unique" and mystical. It also follows that the only belief system that escapes cultism is Skepticism - explicit uncertainty about everything. How convenient, for a skeptic."

[sunnyp]

yeah but basing your pov on logical fallacy and then playing victim like your opinion is being suppressed, and that's pretty laughable.  just because you're too dumb to defend your opinion using a rational argument doesn't make your pov wrong, but it does make you look silly

"If there are no valid philosophies, then all belief systems are irrational. If reason cannot arrive at the truth, then any claim to the truth is "unique" and mystical. It also follows that the only belief system that escapes cultism is Skepticism - explicit uncertainty about everything. How convenient, for a skeptic."

When was I made to look silly? Just because a few people on an internet forum don't agree with me. Oh no! That means my whole belief system is completely wrong. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

Face it. You really can't convince me otherwise. Don't bother, seriously.