ageisler, you have no idea what you're talking about. You claimed that article that you submitted was unbiased but in the first paragraph the guy who wrote it was discredited. I think you really need to learn what unbiased means before you try and discredit someone. Next, no one is saying Saddam was a great leader yet you feel that that is a what Mike is saying when he posts how many AMERICAN deaths there have been. Furthermore, the war currently going on in Iraq was not even based off the platform of freeing Iraqis. It was disarming Saddam of WMDs, which were never found. In other words, Bush lied to get us in war. Now, we'll talk about American wounds only: 13877. Justify that number. This is wounds, meaning the person could have no arms, no legs, ect... On top of all of this there is no end in site. More and more people from Iraq and Afghanistan are being recruited by terrorist organizations because of not only the mistreatment of Iraq prisoners but because since the US entered Iraq they've been getting killed just as much as before. Here's the number of just Iraq police and military killed: 3034.