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[rosehudson]

'i was telling my friend trisha how i cant wait to die and go to heaven. she was like "i dont believe in heaven". wtf? i couldnt believe the words coming out of her mouth. so i asked her what she believed in, she said she didnt know and that she was an "agnostic". agnostic? more like fagnostic. so i said "whatever, if you want to burn in hell for being a faggot be my guest". then she got up to go home, and i was like "yeah right" so i kicked her down the stairs and she broke her colar bone and sprained her ankle pretty bad and started crying, so i was like "oh where is your agnostic faith now you dumb bitch?" ROFLMAO!!!!! '

i just fell over from gigling at that post

[machinegunlotus]

Well.. my girl does that all the time but you know..

Anyway dude.. for you, or anyone to tell me, or anyone what does and does not exist isn't the right way to go about it.

er I wasn't "telling you" as such, that's just my view... you had questions about the so-called god character. I'm saying, why should anyone bow down to just another ego?

You athiests have never felt anything spiritual? Something inside?

You mean like inspiration, natural (or even drug induced) highs, being "in the zone", sense of connection with nature & humanity, etc? Sure, all the time, I'm pretty sure that atheists feel similar things to god-believers. I'm even intrigued by paranormal phenomena and believe people can develop psychic powers. But it doesn't prove there's a god.

[L!VE FREE!]

I believe in God, certainly.

And while I don't look to start arguments with people, I'm confused on why certain people (not accusing anyone here) have decided completely that there is no God whatsoever. I'm a very tolerant person and I respect other people's beliefs and/or lack thereof, but it doesn't make sense to me.

For example in Christianity, there's a large focus on believing in the "unseen" and while people may be quick to point out 'oh why doesn't God simply reveal himself to the entire world'. Well for one this would be testing God and scriptures say that putting God to the test is a big no-no. Secondly, this infringes on the entire concept of "faith" in many ways. Faith isn't simply about 'believing' it's putting belief into practice. And continuing with Christianity, according to the scriptures, this is not a "blind faith" like many accuse Christians of having. This is faith that has been inspired by a personal relationship with God and scripture promises if/then causality. If you seek, you will find, etc.

But the point is, there are many things that are "unseen". Your relationship with your boyfriend or girlfriend probably started with an initial spark, there was a connection. Felt good about it and pursued it on faith. It was never 100%. But anyway, it's impossible to explain spirituality/God/religion in a couple of lines, but I believe that  God and Science can co-exist, that unseen and seen can coalesce, history and spiritual documents, etc.

L!

[anythinggoes78]

I believe in God, certainly.

And while I don't look to start arguments with people, I'm confused on why certain people (not accusing anyone here) have decided completely that there is no God whatsoever. I'm a very tolerant person and I respect other people's beliefs and/or lack thereof, but it doesn't make sense to me.

For example in Christianity, there's a large focus on believing in the "unseen" and while people may be quick to point out 'oh why doesn't God simply reveal himself to the entire world'. Well for one this would be testing God and scriptures say that putting God to the test is a big no-no. Secondly, this infringes on the entire concept of "faith" in many ways. Faith isn't simply about 'believing' it's putting belief into practice. And continuing with Christianity, according to the scriptures, this is not a "blind faith" like many accuse Christians of having. This is faith that has been inspired by a personal relationship with God and scripture promises if/then causality. If you seek, you will find, etc.

But the point is, there are many things that are "unseen". Your relationship with your boyfriend or girlfriend probably started with an initial spark, there was a connection. Felt good about it and pursued it on faith. It was never 100%. But anyway, it's impossible to explain spirituality/God/religion in a couple of lines, but I believe that  God and Science can co-exist, that unseen and seen can coalesce, history and spiritual documents, etc.

L!

I like you am very tolerant of peoples beliefs, but unlike you i cant aaccept that there is a god, i dont believe in Ghosts or spirits life after death or anything like that, Why?? well basically because my mind cant accept something like that its as simple as that, the idea of this other world we cannot see is too much for me. Out of all of it the only thing i belive in is Jesus i belive he was a real person who said he was son of god but as with many things from long ago the stories have been exagerated to suit.

But i will never mock people who belive in religion just like i dont expect to be mocked for not, its just my way of getting through life.

[PurpleHaze]

I'm confused on why certain people (not accusing anyone here) have decided completely that there is no God whatsoever. I'm a very tolerant person and I respect other people's beliefs and/or lack thereof, but it doesn't make sense to me.

Technically, I myself haven't ruled out the possibility of a God completely. Obviously I can't disprove the notion of a supreme creator of the universe but what I can do is say that there is no evidence that there is one.

There is no rational reason to postulate the existence of such an entity. It's presumptuous and completely superfluous. 

Since I am a rationalist, this puts the notion of a God on the same level of fairies and the like. Something that you cannot disprove but something for which there is no valid scientific evidence.

Although I'm technically agnostic to such things, from a pragmatic point of view, it would be absurd to live a life as if there was even the slightest chance that they were true.

[CalumFarq]

I believe in God, certainly.

And while I don't look to start arguments with people, I'm confused on why certain people (not accusing anyone here) have decided completely that there is no God whatsoever. I'm a very tolerant person and I respect other people's beliefs and/or lack thereof, but it doesn't make sense to me.

For example in Christianity, there's a large focus on believing in the "unseen" and while people may be quick to point out 'oh why doesn't God simply reveal himself to the entire world'. Well for one this would be testing God and scriptures say that putting God to the test is a big no-no. Secondly, this infringes on the entire concept of "faith" in many ways. Faith isn't simply about 'believing' it's putting belief into practice. And continuing with Christianity, according to the scriptures, this is not a "blind faith" like many accuse Christians of having. This is faith that has been inspired by a personal relationship with God and scripture promises if/then causality. If you seek, you will find, etc.

But the point is, there are many things that are "unseen". Your relationship with your boyfriend or girlfriend probably started with an initial spark, there was a connection. Felt good about it and pursued it on faith. It was never 100%. But anyway, it's impossible to explain spirituality/God/religion in a couple of lines, but I believe that  God and Science can co-exist, that unseen and seen can coalesce, history and spiritual documents, etc.

L!

great Post Live!

I'm a Latter day saint and its very hard for me as (for example) only 2 people including myself are LDS in a 700 people strong school which puts so much pressure on me to follow my religion. Religion is an extremely touchy subject in school because you might offend someone (apparently). Also the goverment does not help by not allow teaching of religions anymore in my school so really R.E has nothing to do with religion any more

[machinegunlotus]

There is no rational reason to postulate the existence of such an entity. It's presumptuous and completely superfluous.
...

Although I'm technically agnostic to such things, from a pragmatic point of view, it would be absurd to live a life as if there was even the slightest chance that they were true.

And I would add, irresponsible.

[Axsalute]

Some people need absolute proof, which would be seeing and talking
to God in person, I guess.... to me, living on this earth is some kind of
trial experience... you either get it or not..and in this day and age
we have plenty of tools to do an investigation...
just look at the probablilitys of Daniels prohecies...
What convinces me... other than my own personal experience..
is the experience of Peter and the other disciple and Paul...
who along with Peter went out and did what Jesus told them to do
and knew they would be killed for it... What a beautiful story about
love and dedication... and I would say fear as well... I mean when
God tells you to do something and you don't... just doesn't make for
good living... ITS ALL ABOUT LOVE!   Yes it is a mystery.. but that is
part of the mystery... ASK JESUS TO COME INTO YOUR LIFE PLEASE !

[nemo]

Technically, I myself haven't ruled out the possibility of a God completely. Obviously I can't disprove the notion of a supreme creator of the universe but what I can do is say that there is no evidence that there is one.

There is no rational reason to postulate the existence of such an entity. It's presumptuous and completely superfluous. 

Since I am a rationalist, this puts the notion of a God on the same level of fairies and the like. Something that you cannot disprove but something for which there is no valid scientific evidence.

Although I'm technically agnostic to such things, from a pragmatic point of view, it would be absurd to live a life as if there was even the slightest chance that they were true.

Aye, what he said.

Because being a non-believer in the (frankly ridiculous) Abrahamic God of Christianity or Judaism or Islam does not mean that you have ruled out the possibility of a Prime Mover that may have had a hand, intentionally or accidentally in the creation of our universe.  Again with no proof to back it up I'm not really inclined to believe it but I can't say with 100% certainty that it didn't happen.

How would people feel, by the by, if we were to discover that an intelligent being had created the universe accidentally (for example a science experiment gone wrong) and was either oblivious to our existance or completely indifferent to us?  Would a god who didn't care or didn't know about you still be worthy of veneration?

[Axsalute]

Aye, what he said.

Because being a non-believer in the (frankly ridiculous) Abrahamic God of Christianity or Judaism or Islam does not mean that you have ruled out the possibility of a Prime Mover that may have had a hand, intentionally or accidentally in the creation of our universe.  Again with no proof to back it up I'm not really inclined to believe it but I can't say with 100% certainty that it didn't happen.

How would people feel, by the by, if we were to discover that an intelligent being had created the universe accidentally (for example a science experiment gone wrong) and was either oblivious to our existance or completely indifferent to us?  Would a god who didn't care or didn't know about you still be worthy of veneration?

What about the accuracy of prohecy.. Daniels in partricular... about the rebuildings of the temple
and Revelations about Israel being reborn as a nation... if you truly are a rational person you
would at least look at the evidence and that is what the bible is, it is evidence.. People
have heard and perhaps seen God or angels and you choose not to believe them....
and just becasue it hasn't happend to you... you say there is no
proof... thats a pretty big ego you got there... Please don't call your self rational..
You are not!

[GGS]

What about the accuracy of prohecy.. Daniels in partricular... about the rebuildings of the temple
and Revelations about Israel being reborn as a nation... if you truly are a rational person you
would at least look at the evidence and that is what the bible is, it is evidence.. People
have heard and perhaps seen God or angels and you choose not to believe them....
and just becasue it hasn't happend to you... you say there is no
proof... thats a pretty big ego you got there... Please don't call your self rational..
You are not!

Don't you hate Islam????

[PurpleHaze]

The Bible is not evidence. The Bible is a book of apocryphal writings of sporadic authorship whose significance is cultural and nothing more.

If you want to point to vague prognostications that sometimes, sort of, predict the future; you would be just as happy looking at the astrology section in your local tabloid.

[Axsalute]

The Bible is not evidence. The Bible is a book of apocryphal writings of sporadic authorship whose significance is cultural and nothing more.

If you want to point to vague prognostications that sometimes, sort of, predict the future; you would be just as happy looking at the astrology section in your local tabloid.

You are so wrong!   Oh God I can hardly wait for you !   please please please, some of these humans
down here drive me so crazy... I must say thou it is fun fighting for you!  The ridiculous things
they pull out of the blue... oh well, perhaps you can give the GnR fans a little break !
I love you

[GGS]

How's he wrong lol.

[Axsalute]

Sporadic authours...Do you realize what people have gone thru
the prophets... the copiers of the Hebrew text... the disciples
who put everything on the line for Jesus... because they knew
and they witnessed it! How can you say Paul was sporadic?
umm who else.. the story of Esther...... This has been going on
for 6000 years... It is called Faith...  for us Christians just to pull
things out of our buts... there is evidence and it is all connected

Now I wasn't going to do this.. but this weekend I am going to
put probs and stats together... will you guys at least